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Old April 8th, 2007, 02:12 PM   #16
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It would, since you're an apologist for the front office. But an actually good OL coach takes players that are low-round picks or less highly regarded free agents and turns them into a dominant unit, as Alex Gibbs was able to do with the Broncos and Falcons and Matt Mauck did with the Chargers and--with less success--the Dolphins.

Maybe Grimm can do a great job with other teams' castoffs and second-day picks with the Arizona Cardinals, but no one should pretend like he's done it before.
Well, players do well when Grimm coaches them and not as well when they leave. See what I'm driving at?

Maybe just once you could attempt to see beyond your own prejudices, but I realize that is probably asking too much.
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Old April 8th, 2007, 02:41 PM   #17
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Grimm is a good coach. He isn't the best in the NFL, but he is good. He certainly had more than a hand in molding guys like Faneca and Marvel Smith.
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Old April 8th, 2007, 03:28 PM   #18
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Grimm is a good coach. He isn't the best in the NFL, but he is good. He certainly had more than a hand in molding guys like Faneca and Marvel Smith.
Coaches are molders and shapers of men, not creators.

Like Redsz says, if he can improve upon what the team has than it may be just enough to win all those games they just managed to lose.

They don't have to be perfect, they don't have to be the best, just better.
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Old April 8th, 2007, 04:02 PM   #19
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Well, players do well when Grimm coaches them and not as well when they leave. See what I'm driving at?

Maybe just once you could attempt to see beyond your own prejudices, but I realize that is probably asking too much.
Grimm coaches players "up" to their draft level. Sounds good enough. Then you look at our roster, and you see that we have a UDFA, two second round picks, a sixth-round pick, and a fifth-round pick. Um... somehow that doesn't seem as good as it used to.

Mostly, Pittsburgh's starters don't leave. The one that got away was Ross, who stunk as bad here (maybe worse) as he did in Pittsburgh. I'm not sure how you can really estimate how good an OL coach Grimm is, since he's been coaching first-day talent the entire time.

I guess you'd rather close your eyes and think positive thoughts while Leinart endures 40-plus sacks this season. So, that'll be fun.
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Old April 8th, 2007, 04:09 PM   #20
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how about the Big Reds line of the '70's, I think they were considered the
best in the league.
They were certainly in the family photo. As were the Redskins, Raiders Dolphins etc. Again my point is they have to play as a unit to be successful.
I just watched a replay of one of last years nightmare games on the NFL channel. The beauty of Direct TV is as you know can be rewound. They were not too bad that game, but you can see how things fell apart. Got beat a number of times by 4 down linemen of the Chiefs. That should not happen.
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Old April 8th, 2007, 05:01 PM   #21
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Grimm coaches players "up" to their draft level. Sounds good enough. Then you look at our roster, and you see that we have a UDFA, two second round picks, a sixth-round pick, and a fifth-round pick. Um... somehow that doesn't seem as good as it used to.

Mostly, Pittsburgh's starters don't leave. The one that got away was Ross, who stunk as bad here (maybe worse) as he did in Pittsburgh. I'm not sure how you can really estimate how good an OL coach Grimm is, since he's been coaching first-day talent the entire time.

I guess you'd rather close your eyes and think positive thoughts while Leinart endures 40-plus sacks this season. So, that'll be fun.
So basically, Grimm has done well with what was given him. That's quite an indictment.

He's gotten results on the field in the form of a Super Bowl title, so I'm not quite ready to predict disaster.

If you want to close your eyes and think negative thoughts, be my guest.
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As has been pointed out Grimm isn't great, he's a good coach, not great. He'll improve the run blocking but if a player isn't a good pass blocker now he likely never will be under Grimm.
Why do you think Grimm cannot help someone with their pass blocking? It should be pointed out that Grimm sent 6 different lineman to the pro-bowl. He gets his lineman to play. Last time i checked you have to be a complete lineman to make it to the pro-bowl.
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[quote][I guess you'd rather close your eyes and think positive thoughts while Leinart endures 40-plus sacks this season. So, that'll be fun./QUOTE]

Hey look the board has a fortune teller.

All of Jutiper moons has alligned with the sun and the Cardinals have drawn the death card with Russ Grimm.

Please take vacation or switch to decafe.
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Old April 8th, 2007, 06:44 PM   #24
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[I guess you'd rather close your eyes and think positive thoughts while Leinart endures 40-plus sacks this season. So, that'll be fun./QUOTE]

Hey look the board has a fortune teller.

All of Jutiper moons has alligned with the sun and the Cardinals have drawn the death card with Russ Grimm.

Please take vacation or switch to decafe.
Damn, I was hoping when the moons of Jupiter aligned, the Cardinals would win more than 6 games.
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Why do you think Grimm cannot help someone with their pass blocking? It should be pointed out that Grimm sent 6 different lineman to the pro-bowl. He gets his lineman to play. Last time i checked you have to be a complete lineman to make it to the pro-bowl.
Because Grimm's O-linemen have sucked at pass blocking as a unit since he arrived there six years ago, ranking in the bottom half of the NFL every year.

Go to footballousiders.com and check out their OL rankings.
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K9 is right here. Luckily Grimm's strength as a run blocker fit perfectly with Thomas, who's best suit is pass protection. Joe Thomas is the second best player in the draft, and fills the biggest need we have. It should be an absolute no-brainer that we draft him if he falls (which he won't).
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Old April 8th, 2007, 09:29 PM   #28
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Why do you think Grimm cannot help someone with their pass blocking? It should be pointed out that Grimm sent 6 different lineman to the pro-bowl. He gets his lineman to play. Last time i checked you have to be a complete lineman to make it to the pro-bowl.
Because numbers don't lie and the Steelers pass blocking under Grimm had been below average compared to the rest of the NFL.
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It would, since you're an apologist for the front office. But an actually good OL coach takes players that are low-round picks or less highly regarded free agents and turns them into a dominant unit, as Alex Gibbs was able to do with the Broncos and Falcons and Matt Mauck did with the Chargers and--with less success--the Dolphins.

Maybe Grimm can do a great job with other teams' castoffs and second-day picks with the Arizona Cardinals, but no one should pretend like he's done it before.
For years the Bengals never used any high draft choices, except Munoz, on OL because they were so confident in their OL coach to get the lower drafted players to perform at a high level that they didn't worry about them early in the draft. I think they guy's name was Bob McNally,i'll look it up, and he may be coaching for Buffalo now.
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It's Jim McNally and he does coach for Buffalo still. That makes me even less impressed with Gandy because McNally is regarded as about the best in the business.
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