Hypothetical question part 2

EndZone · April 15th, 2003, 10:00 AM

So if a trade is pulled off like Spanky's thread asks about and the Cardinals trade with the Jets for their 2 #1's and we get a DE McDougle or Kelsay and a WR Washington or Jacobs.

Do you gamble with our #2 and take McGahee if he is there. If not who do we take?

Cardinals.Ken · April 15th, 2003, 10:01 AM

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Originally posted by EndZone
So if a trade is pulled off like Spanky's thread asks about and the Cardinals trade with the Jets for their 2 #1's and we get a DE McDougle or Kelsay and a WR Washington or Jacobs.

Do you gamble with our #2 and take McGahee if he is there. If not who do we take?

If available, Rien Long, DT, Washington State.

In my opinion...

ajcardfan · April 15th, 2003, 10:05 AM

No, I wouldn't take McGahee in the second round. He's a luxury we can't afford. Not with Shipp for four more years and Smith for two already on the roster. Of course, I'm in the "win now" mode.

Actually, I'd probably miss the pick entirely because I'd be too busy beating the crap out of whoever made us take Kelsay at #13.

EndZone · April 15th, 2003, 10:06 AM

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No, I wouldn't take McGahee in the second round. He's a luxury we can't afford. Not with Shipp for four more years and Smith for two already on the roster. Of course, I'm in the "win now" mode.

Actually, I'd probably miss the pick entirely because I'd be too busy beating the crap out of whoever made us take Kelsay at #13.

I did say McDougle OR Kelsay. Most likely it would be McDougle.

spanky · April 15th, 2003, 10:07 AM

Jeff Faine/ Center

Cardinals.Ken · April 15th, 2003, 10:08 AM

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Jeff Faine/ Center

That would be a solid pick as well...

Ed B · April 15th, 2003, 10:10 AM

If our draft was Kelley Washington and Jerome McDougle or Kelsay, I'd shoot myself in the foot. Then I'd write "FIRE GRAVES NOW" on the cast.

SECTION 11 · April 15th, 2003, 10:18 AM

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Originally posted by Ed B
If our draft was Kelley Washington and Jerome McDougle or Kelsay, I'd shoot myself in the foot. Then I'd write "FIRE GRAVES NOW" on the cast.

I would also shoot Ed in the foot.

Then I would write, "Should have drafted Boss Bailey and Willis McGahee."

Then I'd look like a fool for about six months.

Then I'd look like a stinking genius.

Lex · April 15th, 2003, 11:24 AM

The best available center out of the Big Ten.

Ed B · April 15th, 2003, 11:29 AM

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I would also shoot Ed in the foot.

Then I would write, "Should have drafted Boss Bailey and Willis McGahee."

Then I'd look like a fool for about six months.

Then I'd look like a stinking genius.

Hey, I had Boss in my first mock draft. Unfortunately he'll never last till the 2nd round like I originally hoped.

If the guy learns to tackle he could put Derrick Brooks to shame. But that's a big "if".

JeffGollin · April 15th, 2003, 12:19 PM

If we made that trade, we'd be better advised not to lock into a particular player, but instead play "Catcher in the Rye" and see who drops over the cliff.

For example - using Kiper's mock (which is as good as anyone's) he has Palmer, Rogers, Johnson, Robertson, Newman, Suggs, Kennedy, Leftwich, Gross and Boller coming off in the Top 10.

Available from #11 on would be Sullivan, Trufant, Jacobs, Williams and Bailey. And who's to say they'd come off the board in exactly that order. If Trufant were available at #13, that's the pick I'd make. Next in line would be Kevin Williams. And then Jacobs.

At the #22 pick, Melvin the Kipe has available: Dewayne White, Kelsay, EJ Henderson, B. Johnson and Palamalu (whom I think could be considered at CB - or at safety and let Adrian move to CB) available.

The second pick, of course, would depend on who we picked first.

And 15 picks later (#37) we'd have a third high pick.

I think under the above scenario is - at #13 you pick the best available player available who either plays DE, WR, CB, DT or MLB (or QB?). Then you repeat the process at #22 (subtracting the position you drafted at #13) and then repeat it again at #37 (subtracting the positions you drafted for at #13 and #21).'

If you do it that way, you're guaranteed to fill 3 of the 5 positions most needed with the best players available when you drafted.

Alert on McDougle - I know Wunderlic's are no big deal, but a 7? Unless the dude is a true idiot savant, I'd be inclined to pass on him in favor of Kelsay, White or Brayton. I'd like to at least have someone who has the ability to read the 2-syllable words in the defensive play book.

The K Williams option is interesting - some scouts feel that in addition to his various pluses and minuses, he has very good pass rush skills.

The write ups on Kelly Washington worry me - I'd like to see us avoid "me-guys" until our brass figures out how to effectively deal with them. Other options from #22 down might include Bryant Johnson, Tyrone Calico, Justin Gage, Bethel Johnson and Nate Burleson. And although he doesn't fit the mold, Kevin Curtis sounds like a blazing-fast version of Wayne Chrebet.

BACH · April 15th, 2003, 12:21 PM

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Originally posted by EndZone
So if a trade is pulled off like Spanky's thread asks about and the Cardinals trade with the Jets for their 2 #1's and we get a DE McDougle or Kelsay and a WR Washington or Jacobs.

Do you gamble with our #2 and take McGahee if he is there. If not who do we take?

I'm not that high on McDougal. Sure, he's probably the 2nd best DE in draft after Suggs, but it's a huge drop from #1 to that #2 spot. I just don't think there's a big difference in terms of quality from drafting McDougal at #13 to the 4th or 5th DE at #37.

I would go for the best quality at our other need positions (WR, DT, CB) and then take a DE in the 2nd. So at #13 I would take CB Trufant, if he's still there. Otherwise I would take DT Sullivan from Georgia. At #22 - Washington.

earthsci · April 15th, 2003, 01:16 PM

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Jeff Faine/ Center

HELL YEAH!!!!!!!!!

Sorry Ken, that wouldn't be solid.

IT WOULD BE THE BOMB!

Cardinals.Ken · April 15th, 2003, 01:23 PM

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Originally posted by earthsci
HELL YEAH!!!!!!!!!

Sorry Ken, that wouldn't be solid.

IT WOULD BE THE BOMB!

Mr. Boldin · April 15th, 2003, 01:28 PM

If we draft Taylor Jacobs I will shoot myself in the head.. We dont need a small rec who has started 1 year at Florida. WE need a big strong WR who will demand the other teams #1 corner to cover him all game.

At pick 13 If we pass on Trufant (if he is there) that would be just as bad as trading down if Suggs and Leftwich are available at 6. Not saying we would trade down from that scenario, but if we get Trufant at 13 I would be extremly happy.

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