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Old February 21st, 2008, 01:28 PM   #16
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I hope the team re-signs Cooper to the vet minimum. This kid can play, we've all seen it. Plus, right now there is no one behind Dockett and Smith at 3-4 DE. Rodney Bailey is a UFA, although he probably will be signed to the vet minimum. Still, we need some depth there...and Cooper CAN rush the passer, an even greater need.
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Old February 21st, 2008, 01:31 PM   #17
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I hope the team re-signs Cooper to the vet minimum. This kid can play, we've all seen it. Plus, right now there is no one behind Dockett and Smith at 3-4 DE. Rodney Bailey is a UFA, although he probably will be signed to the vet minimum. Still, we need some depth there...and Cooper CAN rush the passer, an even greater need.
As attributed by his 1 sack per year average with the Cards. HIs vet minimum salary isn't even what he's worth. He brings nice effort but let's get some legit depth, not roster spot fillers like Ross K. ,Tafoya, and Cooper.
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Old February 21st, 2008, 01:34 PM   #18
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As attributed by his 1 sack per year average with the Cards. HIs vet minimum salary isn't even what he's worth. He brings nice effort but let's get some legit depth, not roster spot fillers like Ross K. ,Tafoya, and Cooper.
He's more capable than that. You are giving him short shrift.
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Old February 21st, 2008, 01:38 PM   #19
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He's more capable than that. You are giving him short shrift.
He may be more capable but that's what he's done. That's what you have to go by. That's the same reason i'm not sold on Pace. His overall career is nothing.His 5-6 good games last year showed something. I like the results better than how they look or what we perceive they can do.
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Old February 21st, 2008, 01:39 PM   #20
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So, if I understand correctly by Joe's spread sheet, Holt saves 3.5 mil, Ross 2.8 mil. (or is the bonus a roster bonus) and 900K for Cooper. That is 7.2 mil. plus what we save on Berry's restructure. So did we possibly cut 10 mil. off the cap with these moves??????
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Old February 21st, 2008, 01:43 PM   #21
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I hope the team re-signs Cooper to the vet minimum. This kid can play, we've all seen it. Plus, right now there is no one behind Dockett and Smith at 3-4 DE. Rodney Bailey is a UFA, although he probably will be signed to the vet minimum. Still, we need some depth there...and Cooper CAN rush the passer, an even greater need.
I think if you said this kid can play IN PRESEASON, I would have to agree. As for regular season games he made very little impact if any at all. 22nd leading tackler on the team, 0 sacks, 0 Tackles for loss, 0 FF's, 0 FR's, 0 passes defensed, 0 QB pressures, and 1 QB hit. Does not tell the story of a guy that can rush the passer. The over 300 pound NT who was injured for half the season, Branch was at least able to get 3 QB hits to his name, which says a lot about Coopers lack of production. When you add up the pass rush stats of sacks, QB hits, and QB pressures Cooper is 13th on the list. You can find a UDFA that can do the same amount of production as that.
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Old February 21st, 2008, 01:45 PM   #22
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He's more capable than that.
In preseason. You have Preston Parsons syndrome. We all get it and there is no cure.
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Old February 21st, 2008, 01:48 PM   #23
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Cooper surprised. Ross mildly surprised. Holt I'm drinking some celebration beer on Sunday...Yeungling even.
Why wait til Sunday?!
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Old February 21st, 2008, 01:58 PM   #24
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What, no one wanting us to trade of these players for draft picks?
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What, no one wanting us to trade of these players for draft picks?
Maybe a 12th rounder.
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Old February 21st, 2008, 02:20 PM   #26
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I think if you said this kid can play IN PRESEASON, I would have to agree. As for regular season games he made very little impact if any at all. 22nd leading tackler on the team, 0 sacks, 0 Tackles for loss, 0 FF's, 0 FR's, 0 passes defensed, 0 QB pressures, and 1 QB hit. Does not tell the story of a guy that can rush the passer. The over 300 pound NT who was injured for half the season, Branch was at least able to get 3 QB hits to his name, which says a lot about Coopers lack of production. When you add up the pass rush stats of sacks, QB hits, and QB pressures Cooper is 13th on the list. You can find a UDFA that can do the same amount of production as that.

not to mention that the "kid" will be 31 years old by the time the 2008 season is over.

I was excited by his production during the preaseason, but he didnt show up at all during games.....youre absolutely right that they could've gotten a guy undrafted that could've filled in ok
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That might take a little more.
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So, if I understand correctly by Joe's spread sheet, Holt saves 3.5 mil, Ross 2.8 mil. (or is the bonus a roster bonus) and 900K for Cooper. That is 7.2 mil. plus what we save on Berry's restructure. So did we possibly cut 10 mil. off the cap with these moves??????
No.

The bonus portion of the cap charge still counts against the cap, while the base salary is a direct saving. So cutting these 3 player saves $5M.

Graves can decide to spread the bonus portion out over this season and next, and cutting e.g. Holt would under that scenario save 3,75M this season, and result in a 750k cap hit next season.

I'm sure Joe can correct me, if I'm wrong
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How long until the obligatory interview from Holt where he blasts the way that the Cardinals FO does business? couple weeks? Months?
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