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Originally posted by Krangthebrain When has Jeff Blake been below average? Give me one specific season over his 11 year starting career.....You can't, because he has been, at worst average which is better than Plummer has ever been save ONE season.
Did you ever watch Larry or Dexter Jackson? I mean are just following others comparisons or are you making your own ( creativity?) I've watched both of them and their games are not even similar, especially considering the fact that they play different positions.
How many carries, as a number 2 runningback, did Shipp have last year? How many carries were there as a team? My point is, there is plenty of carries to go around so there is more than enough to bring Smith to take the carries.
An 81 year old Emmitt is better than TJ right now (sarcasm), and we clearly needed a 2nd rb (unless you consider Anderson a good number 2).
To call Shipp a number 2 runnin back is twisting the facts. He was our number one back 8 games into the season and TJ was hurt after the Seattle game. Besides, what organization pays a number 2 RB 3.5 mill per? As far as you questioning PHX's knowledge of football, believe he is one person who does not go along with what everyone else is saying - personally I think Gambo made some good points - disagree with the Blake thing - he's the very definition of average (which is an upgrade on this team) - but bottom line to me right now is that the two areas of glraing need of help WR and D-line have not been addressed - YET! I could only dream of what this team would have been like if God smiled on us and we were able to sign both Boston and Colvin - I actually think that team with the right breaks would have been able to challenge for the division THIS YEAR - but didn't happen so I'll get over it and wait and see what else we do.
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Originally posted by cheesebeef To call Shipp a number 2 runnin back is twisting the facts. He was our number one back 8 games into the season and TJ was hurt after the Seattle game. Besides, what organization pays a number 2 RB 3.5 mill per? As far as you questioning PHX's knowledge of football, believe he is one person who does not go along with what everyone else is saying - personally I think Gambo made some good points - disagree with the Blake thing - he's the very definition of average (which is an upgrade on this team) - but bottom line to me right now is that the two areas of glraing need of help WR and D-line have not been addressed - YET! I could only dream of what this team would have been like if God smiled on us and we were able to sign both Boston and Colvin - I actually think that team with the right breaks would have been able to challenge for the division THIS YEAR - but didn't happen so I'll get over it and wait and see what else we do.
A little twisting yes, but going into the season he was our number 2 back. He actually gained the starting job through the injury to Thomas Jones...
I questioned his football judgement in regards to Dexter Jackson, because he used the now cliche' of comparing Jackson to Brown (who wasn't even a starter). I've watched Dexter Jackson for about 5 years now (4 NFL, 1 college) so I think I know a little bit about him and his ability, and he in no way compares to Brown.
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26-year-old Saermengsi last season rated average 25.1 minutes, with 7.5 hours, 2.7 times and 2.7 backboard secondary attack, he Yifusen general as the replacement came in March Yifusen injuries ever period of time, three matches in a row, his secondary attack will reach 10. By Sun team, he could strengthen outer lane line, but also as the replacement fullback scored his general customary activities in the stadium two wings. On the season Saermengsi-ball hit rate reached 30%. He was in flames and Jones made a three-year teammate, Jones said that the organizers he pitches, but he can also shooting. His shooting is deceptive.
I'm not saying that we have addressed Defensive end/pass rusher or Wide Receiver, but at a number of different positions we are much better.
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26-year-old Saermengsi last season rated average 25.1 minutes, with 7.5 hours, 2.7 times and 2.7 backboard secondary attack, he Yifusen general as the replacement came in March Yifusen injuries ever period of time, three matches in a row, his secondary attack will reach 10. By Sun team, he could strengthen outer lane line, but also as the replacement fullback scored his general customary activities in the stadium two wings. On the season Saermengsi-ball hit rate reached 30%. He was in flames and Jones made a three-year teammate, Jones said that the organizers he pitches, but he can also shooting. His shooting is deceptive.
Originally posted by Krangthebrain I'm not saying that we have addressed Defensive end/pass rusher or Wide Receiver, but at a number of different positions we are much better.
agreed - but man they are making me real nervous about those other two key positions. The problem is that as far as O goes, if you don't have receiving threats - it don't matter who your QB is or who you RBs are because teams can just stack the box - personally while I think the O-lin talent is there - they have not as of yet put it all together like a lot of people on this board like to think. As far as D goes, I think we've seen ho much the d-line's pathetic play has destroyed the entire defense - but we can only wait and see. Regardless, I'm happy I won't have to atch Jake next year and Emmit is a good novelty - for whatever that's worth.
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don't question my knowledge of dexter jackson and larry brown just because i compared them. in doing so i was not comparing their abilities. i was comparing their respective situations (relative obscurity playing for a star-studded defense, hitting it big in the superbowl, getting the big payday to play for another team). i can go back and talk about dexter's days at FSU. he was a very good college ball player and, in fact, he was drafted later than i had anticipated. i have always had a great amount of respect for FSU defensivebacks. however, he has played on a defense where his shortcomings (if any exist - mind you, i'm NOT saying he IS larry brown, i'm saying he COULD be the next larry brown) would have been covered up by a tremendous passrush and a great scheme. it's entirely possible that he could come into our system and be exposed as larry brown.
as for shipp, hmm, he 188 carries last year. he received the brunt of his carries once tj was hurt, thus, for all intents and purposes, he was a single tailback. any talk of him getting his share of carries with emmitt as the starter is talkin' nonsense. emmitt didn't come here to not receive over 250 carries, and i'm sure he was promised the opportunity to try to get 1,300 yards (which is also nonsense). that doesn't leave many carries for marcel i'm afraid. at best he's gonna get 8 carries a game and that's neither enough to have a strong impact, nor enough to continue his growth as a player.
i disagree with beef. i think blake's been a just-below average qb. how many of his squads have made the playoffs? we've all been conned into believing that anything better than plummer is good when in reality, there's a lot of distance between plummer and even average. i think blake fits squarely in just below average. he's had some good years and some poor years. there's a reason he's a journeyman. accept it. that said, i can't wait to watch him NOT be jake plummer. that, alone, is enough for me too look forward to (sad).
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Originally posted by PHXSPORTS4LIFE don't question my knowledge of dexter jackson and larry brown just because i compared them. in doing so i was not comparing their abilities. i was comparing their respective situations (relative obscurity playing for a star-studded defense, hitting it big in the superbowl, getting the big payday to play for another team). i can go back and talk about dexter's days at FSU. he was a very good college ball player and, in fact, he was drafted later than i had anticipated. i have always had a great amount of respect for FSU defensivebacks. however, he has played on a defense where his shortcomings (if any exist - mind you, i'm NOT saying he IS larry brown, i'm saying he COULD be the next larry brown) would have been covered up by a tremendous passrush and a great scheme. it's entirely possible that he could come into our system and be exposed as larry brown.
as for shipp, hmm, he 188 carries last year. he received the brunt of his carries once tj was hurt, thus, for all intents and purposes, he was a single tailback. any talk of him getting his share of carries with emmitt as the starter is talkin' nonsense. emmitt didn't come here to not receive over 250 carries, and i'm sure he was promised the opportunity to try to get 1,300 yards (which is also nonsense). that doesn't leave many carries for marcel i'm afraid. at best he's gonna get 8 carries a game and that's neither enough to have a strong impact, nor enough to continue his growth as a player.
i disagree with beef. i think blake's been a just-below average qb. how many of his squads have made the playoffs? we've all been conned into believing that anything better than plummer is good when in reality, there's a lot of distance between plummer and even average. i think blake fits squarely in just below average. he's had some good years and some poor years. there's a reason he's a journeyman. accept it. that said, i can't wait to watch him NOT be jake plummer. that, alone, is enough for me too look forward to (sad).
What is your justification for saying that Blake is a below average QB? Is there any, or is it just a baseless opinion?
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26-year-old Saermengsi last season rated average 25.1 minutes, with 7.5 hours, 2.7 times and 2.7 backboard secondary attack, he Yifusen general as the replacement came in March Yifusen injuries ever period of time, three matches in a row, his secondary attack will reach 10. By Sun team, he could strengthen outer lane line, but also as the replacement fullback scored his general customary activities in the stadium two wings. On the season Saermengsi-ball hit rate reached 30%. He was in flames and Jones made a three-year teammate, Jones said that the organizers he pitches, but he can also shooting. His shooting is deceptive.
my opinion comes from watching YEARS and YEARS of football. you may want to refer to me as a junkie. YEARS spent in sports bars so i could watch every game. YEARS. i'm not gonna look up stats, b/c that only tells half the story. the bengals for years were constantly looking to replace blake. he had talent in pickens and darnay scott at wr and mcgee at te. he's had some talent at rb behind him in dillon at the end of his tenure in cincy. and still, no playoffs. granted their d has been atrocious, but he didn't raise the level of play on the field.
as for his game, he has a nice long ball, but the rest of his passing game is mediocre at best. he's elusive, but not really a downfield runner. he's short and gets balls knocked down routinely when not loading the howitzer and throwin' for 50 or 60 yards. he was never considered a leader and visibly pouted whenever he was replaced. he grew up some while playing for the saints and took his demotion in stride, which impressed me, but do not mistake him for a great leader. look, he's an upgrade over jake, but no one should mistake him for a good quarterback, or really, even an average quarterback.
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Originally posted by PHXSPORTS4LIFE my opinion comes from watching YEARS and YEARS of football. you may want to refer to me as a junkie. YEARS spent in sports bars so i could watch every game. YEARS. i'm not gonna look up stats, b/c that only tells half the story. the bengals for years were constantly looking to replace blake. he had talent in pickens and darnay scott at wr and mcgee at te. he's had some talent at rb behind him in dillon at the end of his tenure in cincy. and still, no playoffs. granted their d has been atrocious, but he didn't raise the level of play on the field.
as for his game, he has a nice long ball, but the rest of his passing game is mediocre at best. he's elusive, but not really a downfield runner. he's short and gets balls knocked down routinely when not loading the howitzer and throwin' for 50 or 60 yards. he was never considered a leader and visibly pouted whenever he was replaced. he grew up some while playing for the saints and took his demotion in stride, which impressed me, but do not mistake him for a great leader. look, he's an upgrade over jake, but no one should mistake him for a good quarterback, or really, even an average quarterback.
Hmmm....I always remember him playing on some very good offenses that totally lacked a running game and had terrible defenses. The only good team he has ever played for, the Saints, went 7-3 under his guidance.
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26-year-old Saermengsi last season rated average 25.1 minutes, with 7.5 hours, 2.7 times and 2.7 backboard secondary attack, he Yifusen general as the replacement came in March Yifusen injuries ever period of time, three matches in a row, his secondary attack will reach 10. By Sun team, he could strengthen outer lane line, but also as the replacement fullback scored his general customary activities in the stadium two wings. On the season Saermengsi-ball hit rate reached 30%. He was in flames and Jones made a three-year teammate, Jones said that the organizers he pitches, but he can also shooting. His shooting is deceptive.
Case in point: Gambo/Gomez drooling over what a great move it was to draft Wadsworth, only to call for his head 2 years later...saying that it was yet another 1st round blunder by the idiotic Cardinals front office!
I used to think how great it would be to have a job that I could say whatever I wanted, predicted any outcome and even if I was dead wrong I would not lose my job.
However, poor Peter Arnet has been canned for his bone-head idea of giving an interview to Iraqi state TV. Maybe Gambo and Gomez's boss can take a que from NBC/MSNBC/National Geographic.
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