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Mountain out of a mole hill.... all he did was repeat why AZ told him they couldn't offer him a contract. He didn't say "They can't sign me because Fitz is greedy" or "The contract offer AZ made was fair, but that jerk turned it down". The guy stated a well known fact told to him by the front office. This is nothing.
“They would 100 percent be in this thing if Larry had redone his deal,” said Rick Smith, Faneca’s Chicago-based agent. “Larry is going to cost them Alan Faneca. It’s a fact.”
Well, if Fitz doesn't take the highlight portion personally, he's a better man than me.
(But, I spent a decade making a living in a team sport, and I've seen friction caused by less... and, as I said... the first rule to avoid problems in the room, and it's known by all, is - mind your own business.)
I have never heard of an agent coming right out and saying something like this. I would be all for reelasing whatever scrubs it took to get this guy in here. I hope Graves is at least finding out what it would take.
Where are all the people saying Faneca wouldn't come here now?
This is absolute BS! Screw Fitz. Trade him now.
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“They would 100 percent be in this thing if Larry had redone his deal,” said Rick Smith, Faneca’s Chicago-based agent. “Larry is going to cost them Alan Faneca. It’s a fact.”
Well, if Fitz doesn't take the highlight portion personally, he's a better man than me.
(But, I spent a decade making a living in a team sport, and I've seen friction caused by less... and, as I said... the first rule to avoid problems in the room, and it's known by all, is - mind your own business.)
Again, what did he say? Is it not true Fitzgerald's contract is keeping AZ from signing Faneca? The truth is that if Fitz resigned and gets his money, he won't give a flying football what Faneca said about him and vice versa.
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Again, what did he say? Is it not true Fitzgerald's contract is keeping AZ from signing Faneca? The truth is that if Fitz resigned and gets his money, he won't give a flying football what Faneca said about him and vice versa.
Well, if you can't fathom the meaning of the quote, so be it. As for future reprecussions; it leaves the impression that Fitz is personally responsible for Faneca not being here... and that is simply un-proven. He has the acquired right to negotiate a new deal, taking whatever time needed, and to turn down anything not precieved to be in his best interest.
Maybe if your name is put to it, you'll get a better understanding of how personal it is:
Alan Faneca's agent said Friday that Cardinal Chris' drawn-out contract talks with the Cardinals cost Arizona a chance to land Faneca, the well-regarded, free-agent offensive lineman. “They would 100 percent be in this thing if Cardinal Chris had redone his deal,” said Rick Smith, Faneca’s Chicago-based agent. “Cardinal Chris is going to cost them Alan Faneca. It’s a fact.”
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This stuff will just continue to worsen until Graves is gone. I cant say for sure that we would bring in anyone better, but he most assuredly is not the right guy.
Well, if you can't fathom the meaning of the quote, so be it. As for future reprecussions; it leaves the impression that Fitz is personally responsible for Faneca not being here... and that is simply un-proven. He has the acquired right to negotiate a new deal, taking whatever time needed, and to turn down anything not precieved to be in his best interest.
What meaning do I miss? His agent is saying that Fitz's cap number is keeping him from considering to play in AZ because they can't pay him. And guess what, THAT'S TRUE!!! Unproven? Are you saying that Fitz's cap number is NOT prohibiting Arizona from being able to offer Faneca a deal averaging around 8 million a year? I am not saying Fitzgerald is "responsible" and I don't think Faneca is either. He's saying Larry's cap number and the inablility to lower it (regardless of who's fault it is) is keeping Arizona from making a run at Faneca. Of course Larry has the right to sit and get paid. He has every right. But in doing so, the team cannot pursue Faneca. Regardless if you feel that is Larry being greedy or not, his cap # is keeping Arizona from being more active than they would be if that number is smaller.
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What meaning do I miss? His agent is saying that Fitz's cap number is keeping him from considering to play in AZ because they can't pay him. And guess what, THAT'S TRUE!!! Unproven? Are you saying that Fitz's cap number is NOT prohibiting Arizona from being able to offer Faneca a deal averaging around 8 million a year? I am not saying Fitzgerald is "responsible" and I don't think Faneca is either. He's saying Larry's cap number and the inablility to lower it (regardless of who's fault it is) is keeping Arizona from making a run at Faneca. Of course Larry has the right to sit and get paid. He has every right. But in doing so, the team cannot pursue Faneca. Regardless if you feel that is Larry being greedy or not, his cap # is keeping Arizona from being more active than they would be if that number is smaller.
Maybe if your name is put to it, you'll get a better understanding of how personal it is:
Alan Faneca's agent said Friday that Cardinal Chris' drawn-out contract talks with the Cardinals cost Arizona a chance to land Faneca, the well-regarded, free-agent offensive lineman. “They would 100 percent be in this thing if Cardinal Chris had redone his deal,” said Rick Smith, Faneca’s Chicago-based agent. “Cardinal Chris is going to cost them Alan Faneca. It’s a fact.”
Maybe if your name is put to it, you'll get a better understanding of how personal it is:
Alan Faneca's agent said Friday that Cardinal Chris' drawn-out contract talks with the Cardinals cost Arizona a chance to land Faneca, the well-regarded, free-agent offensive lineman. “They would 100 percent be in this thing if Cardinal Chris had redone his deal,” said Rick Smith, Faneca’s Chicago-based agent. “Cardinal Chris is going to cost them Alan Faneca. It’s a fact.”
That rotten Cadinal Chris!!! I knew he was behind this!!!
Maybe if your name is put to it, you'll get a better understanding of how personal it is:
Alan Faneca's agent said Friday that Cardinal Chris' drawn-out contract talks with the Cardinals cost Arizona a chance to land Faneca, the well-regarded, free-agent offensive lineman. “They would 100 percent be in this thing if Cardinal Chris had redone his deal,” said Rick Smith, Faneca’s Chicago-based agent. “Cardinal Chris is going to cost them Alan Faneca. It’s a fact.”
Clever.... you get a thumbs up for that!!! But, I would argue that no, it wouldn't.... why? Because you better believe that I (and Larry) know what my contract is doing. And I also realize that it is true, so I have about 3-5 days before public opinion REALLY turns on me. Faneca is not Fitzgerald's biggest concern.... I would think it would be the fans and other 60 players who feel the same way, but know it is a business. The only way this arguement holds water is if Fitz is so dilusional that he really doesn't think that carrying his cap number hurts the team. He knows it does. He is just trying to strike a balance between getting what he deserves and hurting the team.
In law the the best defense against Slander and Libel is truth. I would be upset, but Faneca's agent is absolutley correct.
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Clever.... you get a thumbs up for that!!! But, I would argue that no, it wouldn't.... why? Because you better believe that I (and Larry) know what my contract is doing. And I also realize that it is true, so I have about 3-5 days before public opinion REALLY turns on me. Faneca is not Fitzgerald's biggest concern.... I would think it would be the fans and other 60 players who feel the same way, but know it is a business. The only way this arguement holds water is if Fitz is so dilusional that he really doesn't think that carrying his cap number hurts the team. He knows it does. He is just trying to strike a balance between getting what he deserves and hurting the team.
In law the the best defense against Slander and Libel is truth. I would be upset, but Faneca's agent is absolutley correct.
My issue wasn't the substance of the issue, merely that his agent could have found a more approriate way of dealing with it. Cheers!
My issue wasn't the substance of the issue, merely that his agent could have found a more approriate way of dealing with it. Cheers!
Yeah, I can think of a dozen ways to say it without using Fitz's name. In my perfect fantasy world Fitz is close to being done (by many reports), he signs Monday, Faneca signs Tuesday...... but I am an optimist. Let's play along and say that happens. Both guys get their big payday and this would be a non-issue between them.
I have to say your response using my name has had me chuckling for 5 minutes now!!!
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Amazing, we have a player hold out and cost us a premium free agent, and it's Rod Graves Fault.
Simply amazing the lengths that some fans will go to in order to
1. Make Fitz seem like he's innocent.
2. Make Graves seem like the root of all evil.
Wake up guys, our "golden boy," #11 is a selfish ass and that's why we aren't getting faneca. Yes, Graves made the contract, he also offered one that would put Fitz pay through the stratosphere while fixing the problem. Fitz is the one that wants more.
Thanks Fitz, I hope you choke on your bank roll. You better play out of this world in 08 cause you're going to have to single handedly counter the improvement of all our division rivals.
Amazing, we have a player hold out and cost us a premium free agent, and it's Rod Graves Fault.
Simply amazing the lengths that some fans will go to in order to
1. Make Fitz seem like he's innocent.
2. Make Graves seem like the root of all evil.
Wake up guys, our "golden boy," #11 is a selfish ass and that's why we aren't getting faneca. Yes, Graves made the contract, he also offered one that would put Fitz pay through the stratosphere while fixing the problem. Fitz is the one that wants more.
Thanks Fitz, I hope you choke on your bank roll. You better play out of this world in 08 cause you're going to have to single handedly counter the improvement of all our division rivals.
Do you even remotly understand this contract should have been done at least a year ago? Of course it is Graves fault. My god, the lack of accountability by fans and in the Bidwell family is one of the big reasons this franchise is inept.
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But, I would argue that no, it wouldn't.... why? Because you better believe that I (and Larry) know what my contract is doing. And I also realize that it is true, so I have about 3-5 days before public opinion REALLY turns on me. Faneca is not Fitzgerald's biggest concern.... I would think it would be the fans and other 60 players who feel the same way, but know it is a business. The only way this arguement holds water is if Fitz is so dilusional that he really doesn't think that carrying his cap number hurts the team. He knows it does. He is just trying to strike a balance between getting what he deserves and hurting the team. 
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