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We talked about that play specifically at work. Romo just subverted taking a SAFTEY in the end zone using that stupid ass rule. While doing it, the replay clearly showed that he fumbled the ball before being able to tuck it. Why wasn't it ruled a fumble then?!
Clearly however Romo had no intention of trying to pass, and just used the rule to avoid a saftey. Total crap rule, the worst I've seen in all my years watching football. Rediculous!
He didn't use the rule to avoid a safety. His arm was moving forward. He saw Dockett, began the tuck motion, had the ball knocked out of his hand.
It is IMPOSSIBLE to use the tuck rule to your advantage. A tuck takes 0.2 seconds to make.
Whether or not it's a stupid rule, it's rarely invoked precisely because it's nearly impossible to time your tuck with getting hit.
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No way in hell that play is ever considered a tuck.
Here's the exact language of the rule:
"When a Team A player is holding the ball to pass it forward, any intentional forward movement of the hand starts a forward pass, even if the player loses possession of the ball as he is attempting to tuck it back toward his body. Also, if the player has tucked the ball into his body and then loses possession, it is a fumble. "
A pump fake is not a tuck. Never has been. Never will be.
Funny, that is not how I heard the rule is written. And that is not the way it was ruled when Brady was saved by it a few years ago. He brought the ball down had two hands on the ball and even took a few steps before it was knocked out of his hands but because he never completed the tuck back into his body it fell under the tuck rule.
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Funny, that is not how I heard the rule is written.
It's an exact quote from the 2006 NFL Rulebook. The real rulebook. Not the summary on the NFL.com website. (I can't find the 2007 or 2008 rule book on-line.) You can find it at http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sourc...P64dtHF5L9lGng
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And that is not the way it was ruled when Brady was saved by it a few years ago. He brought the ball down had two hands on the ball and even took a few steps before it was knocked out of his hands but because he never completed the tuck back into his body it fell under the tuck rule.
Your memory is failing. He made a throwing motion, then changed his mind. As he was bringing the ball back to his body, he was hit and the ball came out. He took no steps.
The key is bringing the ball back to the body. You can't just pump fake and fall under the tuck rule for the remainder of the play. The tuck rule only applies from the moment you start to bring the ball back to the body to the moment you stop that motion.
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I think there is only two ways this rule will ever change; 1) if it happens against the boys (or another high profile team) and it cost them the game or
It happened against the Raiders in a divisional playoff game! Like em or not, the Raiders were a very high profile team at the time.
If that was Warner or Leinart, or and other Cardinal qb...that would have been a TOUCHDOWN for DALLAS!!! END of STORY!!!
No doubt in my mind...the tuck rule would NOT have even been questioned. We would've simply been handed a jar of vaseline.
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But he was beyond the LoS when the ball was snapped, which is against the rules.
I'll guarantee you that if the teams had been reversed the refs would have stopped play with an officials time out or held the ball until all the Dallas defenders were back onside. No way the Cards would ever get the extra 5 yards.
Or even more likely called the Cards for a false start. 10 second run off game over.
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I'll guarantee you that if the teams had been reversed the refs would have stopped play with an officials time out or held the ball until all the Dallas defenders were back onside. No way the Cards would ever get the extra 5 yards.
Or even more likely called the Cards for a false start. 10 second run off game over.
This whole conspiracy theory stuff is getting tiring. Refs don't wait until defenders are onside during the 2 minute drill. If the roles were reversed, they would have called false start. But only because #75 would have false started.
If the NFL was so pro-Cowboys, don't you think they would have won a playoff game sometime in the last 12 years?
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This whole conspiracy theory stuff is getting tiring. Refs don't wait until defenders are onside during the 2 minute drill. If the roles were reversed, they would have called false start. But only because #75 would have false started.
If the NFL was so pro-Cowboys, don't you think they would have won a playoff game sometime in the last 12 years?
Who said anything about the NFL being pro Cowboys. They're anti-Cardinals.
And yes after 40 years of getting shafted by the refs the conspiracy thing is extremely tiring. But now that we're selling tickets, getting good TV ratings and moving merchandise we'll finally start to get some calls.
Funny how #75 still manages a false start a game for the Cardinals. That number needs to be retired and no more players named Leonard either.
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Funny how #75 still manages a false start a game for the Cardinals. That number needs to be retired and no more players named Leonard either.
Better yet --
the year the team gets rid of false start machine #75 Leonard Davis, they replace him with Leonard Pope, good for one a game, and #75, Levi Brown, also good for one a game
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