Cards - SD Trade?

JeffGollin · April 23rd, 2012, 05:58 PM

Lombardi floated a trade rumor that had the Chargers moving up to #13 from #18 to grab Barron ahead of Dallas at #14.

Consider the following - Quite possibly, the players still available after #14 would include DeCastro, Ingram, Coples, Glenn, Upshaw, Hightower and Brockers (I'm assuming Floyd, Cox, Gilmore, Poe and Reiff would join the 3 QB's, Richardson, Blackmon, Keuchly, Clairborne and Barron in the top 13.

Regardless of who does or doesn't go in the top 13, we'd still be guaranteed we'd get DeCastro, Ingram, Hightower, Glenn or someone else on our original wish list at #18.

Plus I'd presume we'd pick up a 2nd or another 3rd round pick to replace our missing 2nd rounder.

Unless there's someone I really really love at #13, I'd do that deal.

UPDATE - I just checked out the infamous Trade value Chart. All the exchange of picks would net us would be 250 points. A 2nd round pick is worth about 450. We'd have to settle for a 3rd & 4th. (I'm not crazy about that - the talent-level in the 3rd round is disappointing compared to what it would be in the 2nd). Question: Would the new CBA make it easier or tougher for us to make the deal worth their 2nd round pick instead a 3rd & 4th?
Whaddya think?

CtCardinals78 · April 23rd, 2012, 06:01 PM

If there were ever a draft for the Cards to move down in this is the one. The talent level seems to be very close 10-25. I hope they can find a way to move down, get a second and still get their guy.

WildBB · April 23rd, 2012, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by JeffGollin

Lombardi floated a trade rumor that had the Chargers moving up to #13 from #18 to grab Barron ahead of Dallas at #14.

Consider the following - Quite possibly, the players still available after #14 would include DeCastro, Ingram, Coples, Glenn, Upshaw, Hightower and Brockers (I'm assuming Floyd, Cox, Gilmore, Poe and Reiff would join the 3 QB's, Richardson, Blackmon, Keuchly and Clairborne).

Regardless of who does or doesn't go in the first 12 (& assuming SD doesn't double-cross us by not drafting Barron, we're still be guaranteed we'll get someone on our original wish list at #18.

Plus I'd presume we'd pick up a 2nd or another 3rd round pick to replace our missing 2nd rounder.

Unless there's someone I really really love at #13, I'd do that deal.

Whaddya think?

I'm of the thought that if Reiff is available he's an instant starter. Same goes with Ingram. Either of those two, and as much as I'd like a deal..I don't think it goes down IF either of those two are on the board when we're up.

AzStevenCal · April 23rd, 2012, 06:07 PM

I'd definitely do it. I'm sure we'd all like to return to the 2nd round and I wouldn't be against including our 6th rounder if necessary to make the deal work.

Steve

WildBB · April 23rd, 2012, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by AzStevenCal

I'd definitely do it. I'm sure we'd all like to return to the 2nd round and I wouldn't be against including our 6th rounder if necessary to make the deal work.

Steve

That would be key to any deal. Is it the 2nd?

Or would a team ahead of us move down for less? I doubt it because they already have 2nd's.

SissyBoyFloyd · April 23rd, 2012, 06:37 PM

That would be a great trade for S.D., but their 1st and 2nd is too much. Maybe their 1st, 3rd, and 4th.

The Chargers need a pass rusher real bad, as well as a safety. There will be some real nice pass rushers for them at 18. Not sure why they would give up another high pick. They should just save them and get the best available safety later on. But Barron is awfully tempting. I am in favor of anything that keeps the Cowboys from getting their man.

Jetstream Green · April 23rd, 2012, 07:39 PM

I would do that trade in a heart beat, with so many good players and lack of sure fire elite players...we would be nuts not to take it. That second round pick for the nature of the 2012 draft looms large and currently we do not have one...and I despise the Cowboys, that alone suffices

Garthshort · April 24th, 2012, 06:09 AM

The Jets want Barron, also, and they have a history of draft day trades. Going from 16 to 13, would probably cost them a third. Would an 18th to 13th bring a second rounder?

Stout · April 24th, 2012, 06:34 AM

Put it this way: If there are enough players that we like in between our current pick and theirs, you tell them you will trade, but only for the second rounder. If they start to hem and haw, take the hard line. Do you want the player? If so, take our deal. If not, STFU. If they want him that bad, they'll do the trade. If not? Fine, you get your pick of the players you like. Nice and simple.

Totally_Red · April 24th, 2012, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Stout

Put it this way: If there are enough players that we like in between our current pick and theirs, you tell them you will trade, but only for the second rounder. If they start to hem and haw, take the hard line. Do you want the player? If so, take our deal. If not, STFU. If they want him that bad, they'll do the trade. If not? Fine, you get your pick of the players you like. Nice and simple.

I'd be a 'little' more flexible, e.g. swap our 3rd for your 2nd and pick up another 5th rounder. Objective: get a 2nd round pick;

Stout · April 24th, 2012, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Totally_Red

I'd be a 'little' more flexible, e.g. swap our 3rd for your 2nd and pick up another 5th rounder. Objective: get a 2nd round pick;

Yeah, I'd be down for that too. I just wouldn't want us to settle for a 3rd. Why should we have to?

JeffGollin · April 24th, 2012, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Garthshort

The Jets want Barron, also, and they have a history of draft day trades. Going from 16 to 13, would probably cost them a third. Would an 18th to 13th bring a second rounder?

Not according to the traditional Draft Value Chart. (It would be worth their 3rd plus their 4th). But the new CBA is said to render the traditional value chart moot because of the lower cost of high 1st round picks. I'd assume this would make the Cardinal #13 pick more valuable vis a vis San Diego's #18 but I'm not sure. (JoeSchmo - what say you)?

I like Stout's hard-bargaining stance, but I agree with Totally Red regarding the need to pick up of a 2nd rounder. I think this has to be our priority - I don't know how the Cardinal board rates players likely to go in the 3rd round vs. those slated to go in the 2nd, but my own accessment is that things start to dry up talent-wise midway through the 2nd, and by the time we get to #80, I'm already somewhat underwhelmed.

So I'd make Stout's position Plan A with Totally Red's position a good Plan B to fall back on. No doubt some kind of point value assessment would enter into negotiations in any case.

earthsci · April 24th, 2012, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Stout

Yeah, I'd be down for that too. I just wouldn't want us to settle for a 3rd. Why should we have to?

Yeah...I like your first post better. If they are calling us before our pick that means we are their last chance to get who they really want. IMO Melvin Ingram is going to be a star and if we are essentially passing up our chance to get him, they need to pay.

earthsci · April 24th, 2012, 08:57 AM

And screw the value chart. Is a potential QBOF really worth three first rounders?

bg7brd · April 24th, 2012, 08:59 AM

If a bunch of teams are wanting to trade down this year then it will drive the compensation down (supply and demand). I wouldn't be surprised if Jax, Carolina, Buffalo, K.C., and Seattle were all looking to trade down.