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Read the article and the quotes by Coach Wiz.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/1...-pass-on-floyd

RugbyMuffin

They needed a receiver and thought the drop-off after Floyd was stepper than the drop in talent after Iowa tackle Riley Reiff.

That is a good, logical answer to: Why ?

I can buy into that thinking, and I agree with it.

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TigToad

An awful lot of "they are hoping" type statements without a quote.

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Cardiac

To me the only issue is whether the Cards had their Board set up correctly. Based on where Reiff and DeCastro fell to I would say they probably had it right.

I love that we have learned from the Levi situation and went with BPA.

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BullheadCardFan

I wonder what kind of offers they were?

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Mitch

When Whisenhunt spoke this week about how tackles aren't as hot a commodity in today's NFL---that was quite a harbinger, wasn't it?

I am speculating this but if Floyd had been taken---Ingram would have been the choice.

I also think the Cardinals have a plan for the RT position---perhaps Kareem McKenzie? Chad Clifton, if healthy?

This is why I agree with Cbus---if the Cardinals stay at #80 we will see an OLB or DB or DE there.

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Krangthebrain

Disagree, but it's optimistic disagreement..... The Cardinals will take BPA.

I'm not too shocked to see the consternation on this board; fans constantly diss this team for not drafting BPA in years past, and when the team starts to draft BPA, the fans diss them for not drafting need.

In no universe is Reily Reiff, or I might be in a minority here, David Decastro even close to the 13th best player in the draft. And I also rate receivers much higher than others do; the NFL is a passing league and receivers, especially receivers that can beat coverage and potentially double coverage are one of the more valuable positions.

I wanted Ingram, but I can see the arguement for taking Floyd. He has above average potential IMO and he plays a premium position.

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Krangthebrain

As crazy as this sounds, I wouldn't be shocked if we added no OL prospects in this draft.

It's one of my criticisms of the Graves/Whisenhunt administration, they just haven't drafted enough prospects to stock the cubbards. Some of that has to do with missing on picks (Buster Davis, Cody Brown, etc.) and having to use more picks later to compensate for a lack of prospects.

If I were a GM I'd try to walk away from every draft with at least 1-2 midround OL prospects.

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Stout

No, no, we weren't drafting for need at WR2...no, no, not at all...at least, that's what so many posters keep trying to sell me. EL WRONGO!!! Backed ourselves into a corner in the first round of the draft...AGAIN!!!!

The Cardinals had offers to trade back but they had placed a high value on Floyd, the highest rated player left on their board.

What's even more sickening? We had offers to trade back, but we took Floyd instead. God, that is just so disgusting to me. We could have taken DeCastro or Hightower or Ingram AND had more picks later in the draft? And we didn't because we stupidly ignored an incredible crop of WRs in FA? What the HELL are we paying our front office for?!?!?!

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Crazy Canuck

An 'incredible" FA list of number #3 w/o's with 50 catches and looking for a big payday. We have two of those. Floyd has "difference maker" talent.

If the Cards didn't grab Floyd (the number 2 w/o in this draft; a playmaker; a need) then St-Louis would likely have taken him at #14.

If the Cards had accepted the Philly trade down scenario, for example, they would have netted an extra 4rd and 6th pick.

Love to have an extra pick, but not at the price of Floyd going to the Rams.

The issue is what did our division opponents do on day one? I like Floyd over the choices of Brockers, Irvin and Jenkins.

We have three needs; w/o - O-line - OLB

We've answered one.

The fact that the Seahags took a flyer on Bruce Irvin at #15 (the first projected pass rusher off the board) speaks to the judgment that there were no true pass rushers in this draft ala Von Miller. And, that Reiff and DeCastro were selected at #23,24 - that some of us had them overvalued.

Let's see what tonight brings.

FYI:

Notre Dame coach Brian Kelly couldn’t stop raving about Floyd’s work ethic, how he grew from his off-field problems, and how he graduated with a degree in sociology in 3 1/2 years. “You could consider Mike a raw receiver in a sense that he can get better in the technical elements of route running and things of that nature,” Kelly said. “But he is certainly a guy that attacks the football and attacks defenders. And blocking, he is an outstanding blocker.”

kerouac9

If you have a couple of minutes, yesterday Bill Barnwell did a comparative analysis of draft position for the offense and defense. What his results found were that you're going to get 80% of the value at WR with a second-round prospect as you will with a first-round prospect. It was one of the most consistent positions (along with corner, IIRC) where the drop off from first to second round is minimal.

I've said it before, but a wideout is only as good as the quarterback throwing to him save for the most exceptional of players (Fitz, Megatron, and Andre Johnson, pretty much). This is a good long-term move for the team, because Tyler Wilson will have really good targets next year to throw to.

How would this work? You can really only carry 7-8 OL on your active roster. You have 5 regular starters and at least one (ideally) veteran swing guy who can play G and T in a pinch. Wouldn't you just be throwing draft capital away year after year?

It's the difference between OL and DB. I'd be fine drafting mid- to late-round DBs every year, because you carry 8-9 of them on your roster, and they play on coverage teams (OL generally don't). Same with OLBs. You can load your roster with these guys and discard the ones that aren't coming along fast enough.

Much harder argument to make with OL, though.

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WildBB

You mean the T. Wilson we're not going to get anywhere near enough to even sniff next year! That T. Wilson.

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JCSunsfan

Yes, yes, yes!

kerouac9

Depends on how many games Kevin Kolb starts next year.

Seriously, though. If the Cards end up 8-8 again (which I think would be a blessing considering this year's schedule versus last year's), then I wouldn't mind trading up with our #1, #2, and 2014 #2 to get Tyler Wilson. Arkansas is going to be a mess this season, and Landry Jones and a suddenly bowl-eligible Matt Barkley are going to take up a lot of oxygen.

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