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Duckjake

Interesting passing stats, sort of: According to advancednflstats.com Fitz was targeted 154 times last season 4th among WRs. Doucet and Roberts combined for 193 having almost the exact same #. 97 and 96.

Beanie Wells was 56th in receiving yards among running backs.

Another thing that I've noticed in reviewing box scores from games on profootball-reference.com is how many passes are thrown short right. By every team in the NFL. Seems that is where you would want your better coverage OLB in a 3-4.

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Darkside

They have also said the importance of LB is diminished because of increased passing, and I find that really hard to believe. We're not the arena league, even though they seem intent on moving toward it. I have to say though, that if it is true (and I believe their conclusions, if I'm not mistaken, are based on real #'s, for both OT's and LB's) then it's not the NFL I grew up loving.

It's already changed a lot, and I never want to sound like some old sack who loves, for instance, the old running game with Walter Peyton or Barry Sanders, but the truth is I think it takes less talent to run an out as a WR than to get inside position and pivot and shift weight and use hands as an OT. No offense to anyone, but it takes less talent to lob it to Fitz in double coverage and let him jump and get it (phenomenal athlete that he is) than it does to have Edge break off tackle while the tackle has outside position and leverage, and for both OT and RB to realize that, and to break it off and move up the field.

I love the pass plays, don't get me wrong, but we can't lose the actual finesse and skill that made this game what it is. I can give up the big hits with the new rules, as much as I liked them, and I can surrender not hitting the QB, because you can't even hit them now (my God, Terry Bradshaw, as one example, was murdered all the time and made the HOF), I can give up a lot, but why do we have to turn the NFL into flag football? Why make it unwatchable? People want to turn it into a real life Madden football game.

I can't abide that. It's already finesse enough. You could have Jim Brown in your backfield, and by today's standards, the dude would see 15 carries and share time with Tim Hightower. Totally ridiculous.

Darkside

I wanted to add and forgot: Television makes the big pass play more palatable than a great inside blocking play or a lead block or a great LB shed with tackle. I've seen on this forum many people comment about a player picking up blocks or a tackle or guard picking up a block with position or a LB like Washington penetrating the gap and making a stop. But that isn't what casual fans see. That isn't what they see on TV at all. A casual fan see's interception, fumble, passing touchdown, interception, passing touchdown, passing touchdown, passing touchdown.

AzStevenCal

You sound like some old sack who loves, for instance, the not-so-old running game with Walter Payton or Barry Sanders. I've watched this game since the early 60's and I've seen it change many times through the years and I still find it exciting and entertaining. My favorite player growing up was Deacon Jones and let's face it, the guy would get arrested today for the way he played.

Steve

Darkside

Deacon Jones was/and-still-is a mean SOB. I do sound like an old-sack (one who is still younger than you) but it is what it is. I enjoy football, today and in the past. Someone has to stand up for integrity of the game though, we can't always say, "well times change," and leave it at that. Maybe the game is better for you now, and that's great, but for me I worry. While I see revenues climb to astronomical heights, I also see my enjoyment of certain aspects decline. I'm a realist man, I'm not dissing the NFL, but obviously it's changing and I don't see why we have to all agree it's for the better. I don't see it that way. Change doesn't always equal better.

kerouac9

Haggans is REALLY good at covering in the flat and getting out on the RB. I'd really like to see him come back after the draft.

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Me too. I loved watching those teams. Purple people eaters, Fearsome foursome, Steel curtain 70's, Bears, Giants, SFO, Dallas 80's. Cards 98'.

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AzStevenCal

Oh, I'm not saying it's necessarily for the better or that we all have to feel the same way about it. I think some of the changes had to occur, specifically the ones designed to protect player health, and I think there are more changes in the future that will continue to limit the physicality of the game. I miss the big hit but I understand the need for these changes. As for the other changes, I don't really have a problem with the direction the offenses have gone of late but I'd imagine some defensive guru will soon force teams to return to a more balanced game.

Steve

THESMEL

Vince lombardi : What the hells going on out there!
Whisenstupid drafted a roadgrader Named Levi Brown and started him next too a roadgrader named Deuce Lutui- and then called less run attempts for less yardage than any coach in history over the next 5 years.

Starting THT over top 10 all time Hoffer Edge? silly fans screaming stupid Edge only had 2 -1000 yard season in a row...... what the hell did THT have? He was the worse starting RB in the worse run offense in the history of the NFL. So Whiz starts him over Beanie and treats Beanie like Edge- like a punk! But oh no I'm shunned for actually mentioning it- Thesmel is insane? must be contagious- Whiz has tried to take himself out!

Cutting Matt Leinart and starting DA was the stupidest football decision I ever seen! I said it then, and know it now - this team proved Matt Leinart was not the problem with the 2010 Cardinals! still many fans walk with hands out in front of them like zombies with glazed eyes-

Whiz blames players as he puts them in the worse possible position, enviroment and situations to succeed. This staff is crazier than a manuer spreader going across the field kicking the crap out of itself!

Yes as defenses gear toward defending the pass with lighter faster players- the run game will return as evidenced in these playoffs, Giants, Niners, Steelers, Ravens, yea they wear down opposing defenses and throw them down and have their way with them.

If Whiz don't find patients as a playcaller, and accept responsibility instead of blaming players we are doomed long term. Mike Miller is a horrible decision as a OC, worse in the NFL by a distance, another Whiz pet-that Whiz promised tobe willing to be honest and turn lose of - like Faneca, porter and Mike Adams, He keeps kissing frogs and they are still frogs. or tadpoles even.

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AzStevenCal

Well golly gee, I had no idea you felt this way.

Steve

THESMEL

Well if you want to reduce injury - run the ball more- reducing QB sacks - knock downs- 2ndary teeing off on "defenseless recievers" The answer is obvious if they would choose to call plays more balanced and less greedy.

I really don't know what you believe your like a fart in the wind in this post below- change for the sake of change? "some defensive Guru will soon force teams to run a more balanced game?" we don't have to worry about that with Whisenstupid- He passed like his hair was on fire with Max-a UFA QB and THT starting? killed Kurt? DA? a young Skelton? Bartel? He broke Kolb? cut Leinart who was run friendly!

We could choose to balance the game to protect our players and put less pressure on the Oline- defense- ST - because that is what a quality pro team does to sustain long term success- forever. Or we can continue to act Whisenstupid.






Oh, I'm not saying it's necessarily for the better or that we all have to feel the same way about it. I think some of the changes had to occur, specifically the ones designed to protect player health, and I think there are more changes in the future that will continue to limit the physicality of the game. I miss the big hit but I understand the need for these changes. As for the other changes, I don't really have a problem with the direction the offenses have gone of late but I'd imagine some defensive guru will soon force teams to return to a more balanced game.

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In Christian tradition there are 4 cardinal virtues:

• Prudence - able to judge between actions with regard to appropriate actions at a given time
• Justice - proper moderation between self-interest and the rights and needs of others
• Restraint or Temperance - practicing self-control, abstention, and moderation
• Courage or Fortitude - forbearance, endurance, and ability to confront fear and uncertainty, or intimidation

Jetstream Green

that is also one way to reduce first downs with the way our line blocks on a consistent bases in all facets of the game lol

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Chris_Sanders

Yep I am convinced, between K9 and TheSmel, I am sure Whisenhunt is outmatched in football smarts.

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Chris_Sanders

Yeah, how would growing up around football your entire life equate to some extra understanding of the game. You definitely are right on par with those NFL Coaches k9. Hopefully you get your big break soon.

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