Antrel Rolle vs Carlos Rogers

O · January 14th, 2005, 09:30 PM

I only saw Miami play twice this year and I have to say Antrel Rolle was not impressive in the games I saw.
On the other hand I saw Auburn play quite a few times and every time Carlos Rogers was a monster.
Why do you think Rolle is rated so much higher then Rogers?
I would love to see Carlos become a Cardinal.

SunCardfan · January 14th, 2005, 10:02 PM

I have to agree with you on that one..but with the new rules I don't even know if I want to draft a corner...has Bailey, for instance, been that great for the Broncos? They lost just as badly this year as last at least when it came to the defense...

Southpaw · January 15th, 2005, 05:59 AM

Antrell Rolle's ability has been well documented on this forum and elsewhere. It would be frustrating to rehash it. The guy is the best DB in the draft. Wait until draft day if you aren't convinced.

P.S. Most of the year, the Canes were playing with a very inexperienced injured
Defense and a lousy offense.

JeffGollin · January 15th, 2005, 06:31 AM

Mostly hearsay, but based mainly on buzz, you get the feeling Rolle is the more dominant athlete.

Part of Rogers' upside were the TV commentators telling the viewers that he's one of the best CB's to come out this year - and that the reasons his numbers aren't as gaudy is that no one throws in his direction.

Maybe true. Maybe not. This may be one of those hair-splitting comparisons that warrant (a) seeing how the two do in Senior Bowl practices and game and also (b) the Combine.

One thing I feel strongly about regarding Top 10 draft picks - I'd tend to favor the really dominant athlete over the underrated character guy (though the further down the draft we'd go, I'd tend to shift that priority in favor of the character-guy).

ajcardfan · January 15th, 2005, 06:48 AM

I know it is trendy to say CBs are less important with the new rule enforcement. But, I really doubt that is the case. I think if you follow the logic, "Well, it's harder to cover wideouts one-on-one, so let's get less talented at CB", you'll only wind up getting scorched worse. The defenses will adjust to this style of play, they always have before when the offense has gotten an edge. Sure, pass rush is now more important, but you also have to have good enough coverage so the rushers can get to the QB.

I really like both Rogers and Rolle. I've been asking for a high pick on a corner the last three seasons, we are overdue to address that issue with a long term answer.

joeshmo · January 15th, 2005, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by ajcardfan

I know it is trendy to say CBs are less important with the new rule enforcement. But, I really doubt that is the case. I think if you follow the logic, "Well, it's harder to cover wideouts one-on-one, so let's get less talented at CB", you'll only wind up getting scorched worse.

I never understood that logic either. If a new rule enforcement is making it harder for a position wouldnt logic tell you that you need to get even better at that position to make up for that new rule enforcement.

In my mind the new rule enforcement (people stop saying it is a new rule, because it isnt) hasnt downgraded the need for CB but rather changed the way you coach them.

Russ Smith · January 15th, 2005, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by joeshmo

I never understood that logic either. If a new rule enforcement is making it harder for a position wouldnt logic tell you that you need to get even better at that position to make up for that new rule enforcement.

In my mind the new rule enforcement (people stop saying it is a new rule, because it isnt) hasnt downgraded the need for CB but rather changed the way you coach them.

In some sense that's right, but as K9 has pointed out before the problems on defense were stopping the run, not the pass. It's not like by getting Rolle we'll be able to stack the box or something, most of the games I saw we brought Wilson up to stop the run during the game anyways.

If Rolle is the best player at 8 take him, but I think in terms of fixing a weakness, we really need to fix our ability to stop the run.

Rolle is on a short list of players I'd like at 8 but I'm leaning towards johnson because I think he'll make more plays and be a bigger factor. He'll cause more turnovers than Rolle will IMHO.

joeshmo · January 15th, 2005, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Russ Smith

In some sense that's right, but as K9 has pointed out before the problems on defense were stopping the run, not the pass. It's not like by getting Rolle we'll be able to stack the box or something, most of the games I saw we brought Wilson up to stop the run during the game anyways.

If Rolle is the best player at 8 take him, but I think in terms of fixing a weakness, we really need to fix our ability to stop the run.

Rolle is on a short list of players I'd like at 8 but I'm leaning towards johnson because I think he'll make more plays and be a bigger factor. He'll cause more turnovers than Rolle will IMHO.

Oh, I totally agree. Just thought the logic of the new rule enforcement for a reason to not getting a CB was very flawed.

Now the reason we should stop the run better and help Wilson stay out of the box more often, as a reason for not getting a CB I am in complete agreement with. I want Johnson more then Rolle as well for the same reasons you stated.

Toro · January 15th, 2005, 11:05 AM

Dansby was a team mate of Rogers at Auburn. He could probably give Green some good input on what Rogers is really like.

Southpaw · January 16th, 2005, 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by joeshmo

I never understood that logic either. If a new rule enforcement is making it harder for a position wouldnt logic tell you that you need to get even better at that position to make up for that new rule enforcement.

In my mind the new rule enforcement (people stop saying it is a new rule, because it isnt) hasnt downgraded the need for CB but rather changed the way you coach them.

If you're looking for an argument, you'll have to change the subject.

Like you, I think teams can't throw just anybody at CB. If you can't grab , hold , faceguard, and mug receivers going down the field, then they may have to actually play the man and the ball, while actually playing within the rules. That calls for a better athlete at the position. I love the new enforcement of the rules and the long ball. Puts fannies in the seats.

P.S. Too many low skill guys have been masquerading as CBs for too long.