Anquan Boldin only the 8th best reciever in football?

Espo · November 12th, 2008, 02:52 PM

Albert Breer of Sporting News ranked the top 40 receivers today and he had Larry Fitzgerald ranked 4th which seems about right but Anquan Boldin was ranked all the way down at number 8. I find it hard to believe that 7 wide receivers are better than Boldin.

He is a game changer and just his ability to bowl over people and his amazing toughness makes him at least a top 5 guy. He's on the list behind Terrell Owens of Dallas and Detroit’s Calvin Johnson. There is no way that this is the case.

Shane · November 12th, 2008, 02:59 PM

Its all subjective. Who cares what that guy thinks?

Is there a better WR in the NFL when they catch it within the 10 and the goalline?

On the monday night pregame stuart scott mentioned that he spoke to one of the coaches and he stated that he has coached 7 or 8 PBer's in his career and Q is the best of them all. That has to include Fitz BTW since the guy would have to coach them both.

Ouchie-Z-Clown · November 12th, 2008, 03:00 PM

so many of you underestimate the role that speed plays in the game of football. not only in the individual player's play on the field, but the effect that speed has on adjustments a defense needs to make.

generally speaking a defense need not adjust to account for a wr that "bowls people over." they just have to individually make certain they wrap up.

a defense does, however, have to account for speed by playing off, shifting safety help, etc.

speed dictates defensive adjustments. bowling over people impresses fans and endures players in our hearts.

that's why faster players, homerun hitters, like T.O. and calvin johnson, who are no slouches in other aspects of the game (both big with fairly good hands and acrobatic ability IN ADDITION to speed) get rated above quan.

besides, there are what, 62 starting wr's in the nfl? being #8 is no slight.

Shane · November 12th, 2008, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Ouchie-Z-Clown

so many of you underestimate the role that speed plays in the game of football. not only in the individual player's play on the field, but the effect that speed has on adjustments a defense needs to make.

generally speaking a defense need not adjust to account for a wr that "bowls people over." they just have to individually make certain they wrap up.

a defense does, however, have to account for speed by playing off, shifting safety help, etc.

speed dictates defensive adjustments. bowling over people impresses fans and endures players in our hearts.

that's why faster players, homerun hitters, like T.O. and calvin johnson, who are no slouches in other aspects of the game (both big with fairly good hands and acrobatic ability IN ADDITION to speed) get rated above quan.

besides, there are what, 62 starting wr's in the nfl? being #8 is no slight.

All good points too. Although that doesnt defend why Fitz is #4 then? But like I said its all subjective anyway.

Espo · November 12th, 2008, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Ouchie-Z-Clown

so many of you underestimate the role that speed plays in the game of football. not only in the individual player's play on the field, but the effect that speed has on adjustments a defense needs to make.

generally speaking a defense need not adjust to account for a wr that "bowls people over." they just have to individually make certain they wrap up.

a defense does, however, have to account for speed by playing off, shifting safety help, etc.

speed dictates defensive adjustments. bowling over people impresses fans and endures players in our hearts.

that's why faster players, homerun hitters, like T.O. and calvin johnson, who are no slouches in other aspects of the game (both big with fairly good hands and acrobatic ability IN ADDITION to speed) get rated above quan.

besides, there are what, 62 starting wr's in the nfl? being #8 is no slight.

True it's not a slight but is Fitz really better than Boldin? I am hard pressed to believe that he is. Anquan is a beast and while Fitz has made strides I'm not sure he is worthy of being considered better.

Some people seem to think he's the best receiver in the game.

http://phoenix.fanster.com/2008/11/1...anquan-boldin/

Shane · November 12th, 2008, 03:15 PM

http://www.azcardinals.com/news/detail.php?PRKey=2689

gusmahler · November 12th, 2008, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Espo

True it's not a slight but is Fitz really better than Boldin? I am hard pressed to believe that he is. Anquan is a beast and while Fitz has made strides I'm not sure he is worthy of being considered better.

Fitz has better hands (though Quan is obviously no slouch in this department).

Fitz is taller and a better leaper.

Fitz is younger (important in terms of value of contract. No one would sign TO to a contract as valuable as Fitz's simply because TO is old, Fitz isn't). Quan isn't old, though.

Quan is better after the catch (though Fitz is improving)

Quan is more versatile (which is why he lines up in the backfield more often than #11).

Regardless of who is the "#1 receiver", we definitely have the best "#2 receiver" in the league.

Shogun · November 12th, 2008, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Espo

True it's not a slight but is Fitz really better than Boldin? I am hard pressed to believe that he is. Anquan is a beast and while Fitz has made strides I'm not sure he is worthy of being considered better.

Some people seem to think he's the best receiver in the game.

http://phoenix.fanster.com/2008/11/1...anquan-boldin/

Yes. He is.

dogpoo32 · November 12th, 2008, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Shogun

Yes. He is.

You again!

DoTheDew · November 12th, 2008, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Shane H

Its all subjective. Who cares what that guy thinks?

Is there a better WR in the NFL when they catch it within the 10 and the goalline?

On the monday night pregame stuart scott mentioned that he spoke to one of the coaches and he stated that he has coached 7 or 8 PBer's in his career and Q is the best of them all. That has to include Fitz BTW since the guy would have to coach them both.

Unless it was Dave McGinnis.

dreamcastrocks · November 13th, 2008, 05:31 AM

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Unless it was Dave McGinnis.

Has McGinnis coached 7 or 8 pro-bowlers?

My first thought was Denny Green, but Q isn't better than Cris Carter or Moss, so it can't be him.

Espo · November 13th, 2008, 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Shogun

Yes. He is.

Honestly I'm not sure how. Boldin changes games, is willing to just destroy people by running over them and has no problem going over the middle. Add that to the fact that Boldin is starting to be used in the Wildcat formation and I think that Boldin is slightly better than Fitz as a receiver and offensive weapon.

JeffGollin · November 13th, 2008, 06:22 AM

There are ratings and there are ratings.

There are always going to be a few that annoy us.

And some that delight us (USA rated Q the top NFL receiver today - evidently because they based their rating on # of touchdowns).

The only rating that counts is the one generated by the eye-balls of each of us. Q makes plays. We're 6 & 3.Those are the things that count; not what some stat-guy concocts.

I think many of us spend too much time getting outraged because some media ignoramus isn't showing us enough respect. (i.e. If you really like hot fudge sundaes and some food critic blasted the taste of chocolate, would you really care)?

CardLogic · November 13th, 2008, 06:41 AM

The sage of ASFN - JeffGollin!

I must say though, Terrell Owens, doesn't even belong in the conversation. Owens doesn’t rank in the top 40 in the league in catches or yards this season.

Correction, TO's stats: 42nd in receptions, 39th in receiving yards

Arizona's Finest · November 13th, 2008, 06:46 AM

I think that if Q was playing in Philadelphia, Dallas, or NY he would be seen as a T.O. level player.

Ouchie you want to point to speed and it having to be factored in but numbers are numbers are numbers. If you are getting to Pro Bowls with one arm and running a 5.2 who really cares what is leading to that? The probelm with your assessment is that you are getting caught up in workout numbers and 40 times and then combining that with production and percieved continued production. Which is the same mistake GM's make year after year and produces bust after bust.

Now departed Lions WR Charles Rogers (and Roy Williams for that matter) are absolute physical freaks who COULD be the greatest WR of all time. But are they? hell no. Jerry Rice is widely considered the best WR of all time. Who was he out running?

Q is a football player and with his leading the league in TD's, fastest to (insert number here) receptions, rookie first game record, and on and on I think he is WAY undervalued for where he sits in the league. And thats not even including the fact that unlike most WR's he is not concerned with just himself (contract desires aside) and literally is a team guy and is all fire and brimstone.

It makes me sick when "scouts" appealing to the same logic as Ouchie, go and say things like Andre Johnson is the best WR in the league. Really? Based on what - his 40 time? His length? Outside of one 4 game stretch he doesn't even belong in the same clubhouse as Q. I am so tired of the potential tag determining who is the "best" player.

Like I said if Q was playing somewhere else he would be diefied on Owen's level. Instead he we have to "settle" for him here.

Give me numbers. Give me Q. You can keep Andre Johnson.

Anquan Boldin only the 8th best reciever in football?

Who Cares?