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best of luck to those involved - the whole union mess usually just makes me sick to my stomach though...... especially the scab comment, etc - just because you don't want to make a living, don't get pissed at the guy who does.......
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best of luck to those involved - the whole union mess usually just makes me sick to my stomach though...... especially the scab comment, etc - just because you don't want to make a living, don't get pissed at the guy who does.......
sorry, "just because you don't want to make a living?" Are you serious? EVERYONE on the line is sacrificing making a living to PROTECT WRITERS - WRITERS THAT AREN'T EVEN IN THE UNION YET. To protect them from the BS the producers are trying to cram down their throat which will have impact for decades. To take advantage of their sacrifice is gross IMO. And that's what it is, taking advantage of other's sacrifice. I'm not even in the union and I would be DISGUSTED with myself if I crossed the line to undercut the group I wish to belong to.
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There is no online market, hate to break it to people that don't know exactly what is going on.
I agree on the ridiculous royalty issues with DVD, but this whole thing about online revenue is ridiculous, because online doesn't make any money. There's no revenue to share.
Chap do you still believe the "ridiculousness" of your comments above? Online doesn't make any money... that's funny.
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best of luck to those involved - the whole union mess usually just makes me sick to my stomach though...... especially the scab comment, etc - just because you don't want to make a living, don't get pissed at the guy who does.......
I'm not going to get into a debate over unions, not in this thread, not in any other. But this logic is a bit silly. If we're going to commend the financial risk-taker for being shrewd, we should also commend the shrewd artisan that knows where his or her leverage is. Unions work when they maximize all their leverage. Holding union benefits over the head of would-be line-crossers is good business. I don't know how else one could view it, especially in the high-end entertainment industry where "making a living" is defined most elsewhere as "making a killing."
And I'm not suggesting anyone is doing that here. In fact, it was delivered as a concerned warning, not as an inciting threat.
Writers are some of the most underpaid talent in the industry compared to their bountiful creative contribution to a multi-billion dollar industry. The number of big earners is small, and most everyone who did make it to the semi-good life of syndication and big development deals ate garbage before they got there. I know more than a few. I was not willing to take the risks they did as young people to get where they are now. Now, a few them are head-scratchers -- I write better stuff in an e-mail to my wife than they do for their big-dollar projects -- but I won't deny they worked their butts off to get where they are.
So when I suggest I'm considering taking advantage of an available opportunity, I don't do it without the understanding that I never paid the dues the union writers did. Capitalizing on it ... causes me to take a pregnant, ethical pause.
Understanding and intelligence does not make your ethical pause any more noble.
If capitalizing on the situation helps you provide for your family, more power to you. Attempting to justify your actions makes you look even more slimey.
I'm not going to get into a debate over unions, not in this thread, not in any other. But this logic is a bit silly. If we're going to commend the financial risk-taker for being shrewd, we should also commend the shrewd artisan that knows where his or her leverage is. Unions work when they maximize all their leverage. Holding union benefits over the head of would-be line-crossers is good business. I don't know how else one could view it, especially in the high-end entertainment industry where "making a living" is defined most elsewhere as "making a killing."
And I'm not suggesting anyone is doing that here. In fact, it was delivered as a concerned warning, not as an inciting threat.
Writers are some of the most underpaid talent in the industry compared to their bountiful creative contribution to a multi-billion dollar industry. The number of big earners is small, and most everyone who did make it to the semi-good life of syndication and big development deals ate garbage before they got there. I know more than a few. I was not willing to take the risks they did as young people to get where they are now. Now, a few them are head-scratchers -- I write better stuff in an e-mail to my wife than they do for their big-dollar projects -- but I won't deny they worked their butts off to get where they are.
So when I suggest I'm considering taking advantage of an available opportunity, I don't do it without the understanding that I never paid the dues the union writers did. Capitalizing on it ... causes me to take a pregnant, ethical pause.
Gad, if you choose to go forward (I'm glad you're not seeing this as a threat, cause it's not - it IS concern), make as much money as you can fast, because once the strike is over, the Union will NEVER let you in and most show-runners WILL hold a grudge, limiting your employment chances.
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Cheese, do you see the strike going on much past december when the scripts start running dry and Farmer Wants a Wife and the ilk are splashed all over primetime?
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Cheese, do you see the strike going on much past december when the scripts start running dry and Farmer Wants a Wife and the ilk are splashed all over primetime?
Farmer Wants a Wife is coming whether you want it to or not.
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Cheese, do you see the strike going on much past december when the scripts start running dry and Farmer Wants a Wife and the ilk are splashed all over primetime?
I don't think anything serious even begins to happen until January when there's literally no new content to put on the air. They'll have produced shows until then... for most of the networks. Then, if it doesn't happen in January or early February, it'll go till summer. Yup, that's right, I think the producers will basically tell the WGA to screw off with an upcoming DGA and SAG strike four months away and wait for Armaggedon.
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I don't think anything serious even begins to happen until January when there's literally no new content to put on the air. They'll have produced shows until then... for most of the networks. Then, if it doesn't happen in January or early February, it'll go till summer. Yup, that's right, I think the producers will basically tell the WGA to screw off with an upcoming DGA and SAG strike four months away and wait for Armaggedon.
Is this completely screwing your pilot show? I mean, does this basically make it dead in the water? I know how hard it is to get a pilot screened, much less into production. Do you think it will be scrapped after this blows over or does the fact that they will want to be up and running with stuff ASAP mean your show is more likely to be picked up?
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Is this completely screwing your pilot show? I mean, does this basically make it dead in the water? I know how hard it is to get a pilot screened, much less into production. Do you think it will be scrapped after this blows over or does the fact that they will want to be up and running with stuff ASAP mean your show is more likely to be picked up?
PROBABLY closer to the latter, but it's Hollywood where no one knows anything.
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I was sitting at lunch with a TV-writer friend on Sunday when his strike assignment arrived on his BlackBerry: four hours, the following day, over the hill in Burbank. He had spent the previous evening grimly reading Joan Didion’s account, in “After Henry,” of the twenty-two-week writers’ strike in 1988, which, according to the L.A. Times, cost the industry about five hundred million dollars. As Didion saw it, the strike “was about respect, and about whether the people who made the biggest money were or were not going to give a little to the people who made the less big money.”
Most people think that this strike will last six months, and that, as before, the writers will not win. People are wondering if, during those months, the loss of biodiversity will bring about the total, irreversible dominance of the nutrient-choking algae of reality TV.
I just spoke to my friend. He and about a hundred other writers were attempting to disrupt the shooting of “Desperate Housewives” by shouting “Shut it down!” and “We write the storia / For Eva Longoria!” Then Longoria had pizza delivered for the strikers.
disrupt the shooting of “Desperate Housewives” by shouting “Shut it down!” and “We write the storia / For Eva Longoria!” Then Longoria had pizza delivered for the strikers.
That's cool of that little shrimp to do that. Well, I guess she'll be joining them soon enough.
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