Wow. Just wow....

Divide Et Impera · July 30th, 2007, 08:31 PM

You all know how I feel about Obama, but this is something to behold:

http://johnedwards.com/news/headline...omney-attacks/

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Edwards Responds To Romney's Attacks On Middle And Working Class Tax Relief

Jul 27, 2007 1:37 PM

Chapel Hill, North Carolina – Senator John Edwards released a statement today in response to Republican Mitt Romney's attacks on his tax cut proposal for middle and working class Americans. Yesterday, Edwards announced a plan to reform our tax code to reward work, not the privileges of the insiders, and help regular families get ahead.

"Every time another radical Republican running for president speaks, the American people are reminded of how out of touch with economic reality they are. Example A: Mitt Romney.

"Romney, who is worth hundreds of millions of dollars, should be ashamed for attacking my economic plan, but it's not surprising he is. I want to rewrite our tax code to make it fair and help hard-working Americans save some money to give them a better shot at the American Dream. Mitt wants to make sure that the wealthiest Americans just keep getting wealthier and let everyone else pick up the scraps. Mitt's all about more, more, more for the people who already have the most - and that's just wrong.

"The truth is Mitt Romney shouldn't pay lower taxes on the money he makes from his money than middle-class families pay on the money they make from hard work. Neither should I. We're both incredibly fortunate and we should pay our fair share.

"That's the big difference between people like Mitt Romney and me. Mitt Romney thinks he and his insider friends helped make America great, I think it's the hundreds of millions of Americans in the working class and middle class who make America great. It's these hard-working families who deserve a break and a chance to live the same American Dream as I have. That's what I'm fighting for, and that's what people like Mitt Romney have spent a lifetime fighting against."

Ouch! Touche, Mr. Edwards. John Edwards is legit even though Barack is my guy. The way I see it, Edwards is just biding his time just below the radar while Clinton and Obama are flying high in the public eye. I would not be at all surprised to see Edwards at some point catapult over the two frontrunners....

D-Dogg · July 30th, 2007, 08:36 PM

He is only saying things that Obama basically has said on stump and in his book.

Not begrudging the message from JE, but he isn't unique in the field saying it.

Divide Et Impera · July 30th, 2007, 08:51 PM

You gotta give credit to Edwards, though. While Obama is a one-in-a-million speaker, a true rarity when he is discussing/writing ideas, Edwards is no slouch. Let me put it this way:

For me, it's 1) Obama, 2) Paul, 3) Edwards....

Now, if Gore ultimately jumps in, it would be a struggle for me to choose between him and Obama. I might have to give the edge to Gore....

ArizonaSportsFan · July 30th, 2007, 09:24 PM

What is an "insider" that Edwards claims are getting all of the breaks in life? Inside what?

A great country takes all classes of people. You can't have all poor (obviously), you can't have all middle class (lot's of folks ready to labor, and no direction), and you can't have all upper class (everyone willing to give direction and no one to labor). So, Edwards says that the huge middle class should all receive tax breaks (good thing) while the relatively few upper class should shoulder a greater percentage than currently. How does that math add up? Just wondering. You think that Edwards would have given the same speech in front of the "Forbes 500 Wealthiest Citizens" convention? Of course not. He is concerned about the 100 of millions of votes, oops I mean middle class citizens.

Gaddabout · July 30th, 2007, 10:04 PM

I'm probably a fool for thinking there's something genuine about Obama, but I see right through Edwards. I dub him the Wax Museum Candidate. I've disliked him since the day he launched his candidacy.

CardFan67 · July 31st, 2007, 04:55 AM

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Originally Posted by ArizonaSportsFan

So, Edwards says that the huge middle class should all receive tax breaks (good thing) while the relatively few upper class should shoulder a greater percentage than currently. How does that math add up?

The big problem I have with the dems is this point exactly... This is what they say, and most of them do say this, but the problem is how they figure out who fits into what class... So... Lets do the breakdown here on where, according to the democrats, you would see the tax break on the masses...

Time and time again they state that $150k is considered rich so anyone making that much or more would not get a break... and for my research in trying to find home purchasing assistance or any type of break they consider anything below $65k eligible for government first time buyer programs but allow only $10k in money to be used without penalty from a retirement plan so that brings you up to $75k...

So this tax break on the masses would only be for those that make $65k to $150k... Everyone else is poor or rich and will be taxed at the same rate.

I am so socially liberal (expect for drugs) and this is why I am financially conservative - by the old sense of the word (none of this conservative Bush tax and spend crap).

Gaddabout · July 31st, 2007, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by CardFan67

I am so socially liberal (expect for drugs) and this is why I am financially conservative - by the old sense of the word (none of this conservative Bush tax and spend crap).

In poli sci terms, you would be a "classical liberal." It's all about balancing 17th Century French anarchism with the good of the people.

Rivercard · July 31st, 2007, 12:16 PM

This just in........... breaking Edwards news............

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WASHINGTON (CNN) — John and Elizabeth Edwards took a break from their hectic campaign schedules on Monday to celebrate their annual tradition — eating their anniversary dinner at Wendy’s.

The tradition started on their first anniversary, when the Edwards were in the middle of moving and too busy for a formal dinner. They decided to continue it and have eaten there every year since.

The couple celebrated their 30th anniversary at a Wendy’s in Chapel Hill, North Carolina.

KloD · July 31st, 2007, 12:47 PM

snobs

Gaddabout · July 31st, 2007, 12:59 PM

Does anyone get the impression that John Edwards is attempting to do a Clinton impression? He doesn't seem like the affair type, but if it's in the Clinton playbook ... you know.

MigratingOsprey · July 31st, 2007, 01:15 PM

wow - a politician pandering the middle class and painting their opposition (often republican) as uncaring for the plight of the people

how about some ideas and not just lip service John?

Rivercard · July 31st, 2007, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by MigratingOsprey

wow - a politician pandering the middle class and painting their opposition (often republican) as uncaring for the plight of the people

how about some ideas and not just lip service John?

According to the article an actual economic plan was unvelied by Edwards. Doesn't that qualify as an "idea"? Why do you classify his plan as "pandering"?

82CardsGrad · July 31st, 2007, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Rivercard

This just in........... breaking Edwards news............

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WASHINGTON (CNN) — John and Elizabeth Edwards took a break from their hectic campaign schedules on Monday to celebrate their annual tradition — eating their anniversary dinner at Wendy’s.

The tradition started on their first anniversary, when the Edwards were in the middle of moving and too busy for a formal dinner. They decided to continue it and have eaten there every year since.

The couple celebrated their 30th anniversary at a Wendy’s in Chapel Hill, North Carolina.

It's all about relating to the "little people"...

Rivercard · July 31st, 2007, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by 82CardsGrad

It's all about relating to the "little people"...

Maybe, but it sounds like the tradition was started long before his White House ambitions.

MigratingOsprey · July 31st, 2007, 01:51 PM

as stated above - saying i'm going to cut taxes for some, increase for others and elimate for another group isn't a plan

how is he defining each segment - how much increase/decrease - on what kinds of goods - i'd love to see a detailed look at his taxation plan - however no one really gets beyond the lip service portion of it at this time

if he has a detailed plan out there then I will gladly recant - i just have a hard time believing he's developed anything

until you get the details there is nothing there - i remember in college there was a great middle class relief tax plan that would pretty much punish students in the details

i like the fine print