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Old September 4th, 2008, 05:19 PM   #1
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Troopergate deepens


This is looking like the is fire with the smoke.

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Aides to Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin improperly obtained her former brother-in-law's state police personnel files and cited information from those records to raise complaints about the officer, the head of Alaska's state police union said Thursday.

"It's apparent to us that the governor or someone on her staff had direct access to his personnel file, as well as his workers' comp file, and those are protected," said John Cyr, executive director of the Alaska Public Safety Employees Association.
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Old September 4th, 2008, 05:27 PM   #2
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She's already lied regarding this issue. This is looking even worse.
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Old September 4th, 2008, 05:28 PM   #3
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Stick a fork in the McCain campaign. It's done...
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Old September 4th, 2008, 05:42 PM   #4
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This is looking like the is fire with the smoke.



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In an ethics complaint filed Wednesday, the union names the governor and three aides, one of whom cited Wooten's records in a tape-recorded call to a state police lieutenant in February. And the former commissioner, Walt Monegan, said he believes his refusal to fire Wooten led to his firing.

Monegan said no one directly demanded Wooten's dismissal, but the trooper was the subject of "constant" questions or comments "either verbally or in e-mail saying, 'Is this the kind of trooper that should be representing the troopers?' or 'This is not the kind that we want to have as a poster child.' "

But in papers requesting the probe be transferred to the personnel board, Palin's lawyer called Wooten a "rogue trooper" who threatened the governor's family during a bitter divorce and custody battle. Thomas Van Flein, the governor's attorney, said it was appropriate to complain to the head of the department about a trooper the Palins believed posed a threat to their security.

Van Flein had no immediate response to the union complaint.

Palin had been complaining to state police officials about Wooten since before she became governor. In March 2006, he received a five-day suspension for drinking beer in his patrol car, illegally shooting a moose under his wife's hunting permit and using a Taser on his 10-year-old stepson "in a training capacity."

In the February 29 call by Frank Bailey, Palin's boards and commissions director, to state police Lt. Rodney Dial, Bailey complained there had been "absolutely no action for a year on this issue." During the call, he said there was some "really funny business" about a worker's compensation claim Wooten had filed and suggested he lied about a health condition on his state police job application.

When she turned over the recording to the Legislature, Palin said she was "truly disappointed and disturbed to learn that a member of this administration contacted the Department of Public Safety regarding Trooper Wooten. At no time did I authorize any member of my staff to do so."
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Old September 4th, 2008, 05:45 PM   #5
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I think her lying about not pressuring for the firing, 24 phone calls from her office later, is even more damning. Check the denials, followed by the later admissions on this video from a TV station in Alaska: http://johnmcgaffe.com/2008/08/sarah...ion.html#links
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I left nothing out, posted a link and your response is a typical deflection.


You are focusing on the trooper in question nad if he should ahve been fired or not, unfortunatly that isn't the question.

The question or questions as the additional one of has she lied to us is now in play, was did she misuse her position.
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82, please watch the video. The VP nominee is clearly lying.
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Old September 4th, 2008, 05:50 PM   #8
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I left nothing out, posted a link and your response is a typical deflection.


You are focusing on the trooper in question nad if he should ahve been fired or not, unfortunatly that isn't the question.

The question or questions as the additional one of has she lied to us is now in play, was did she misuse her position.
Man....

I think you are asking if she misused her position as Governor. She seems to infer that she did not. I guess I still believe that in our great country, we are all innocent until proven otherwise. Unless of course you are believed to be a religious looney nutcase...

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Old September 4th, 2008, 05:55 PM   #9
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82, please watch the video. The VP nominee is clearly lying.

Zero, would I expect you of all people to see this in a different light? C'mon now...

At worst - and yet to be confirmed, it appears that Palin was unaware that a staff member may have applied some pressure to get rid of a crummy dude...
Again - this will all come out in the wash, however, enjoy convicting the women prior to the facts being released...
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See our republicans on this board keep pointing to the accusations against the trooper as if they are fact, but there was an investigation by the department and they were said to be unfounded. No proof, her word against his. NOT GUILTY!

So I guess they believe the department is covering for him, that there's some conspiracy out to get their savior. My oh my, they've known about this woman for a week and they are willing to believe her over the Alaska law enforcement.

Even the residents of Alaska by and large believe she lied. But, these folks know better.

What does it matter though, this won't be resolved until after the election and they don't care if she's guilty or not, she can read a speech and attack Obama, that's what's important.
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In an ethics complaint filed Wednesday, the union names the governor and three aides, one of whom cited Wooten's records in a tape-recorded call to a state police lieutenant in February. And the former commissioner, Walt Monegan, said he believes his refusal to fire Wooten led to his firing.

Monegan said no one directly demanded Wooten's dismissal, but the trooper was the subject of "constant" questions or comments "either verbally or in e-mail saying, 'Is this the kind of trooper that should be representing the troopers?' or 'This is not the kind that we want to have as a poster child.' "

But in papers requesting the probe be transferred to the personnel board, Palin's lawyer called Wooten a "rogue trooper" who threatened the governor's family during a bitter divorce and custody battle. Thomas Van Flein, the governor's attorney, said it was appropriate to complain to the head of the department about a trooper the Palins believed posed a threat to their security.

Van Flein had no immediate response to the union complaint.

Palin had been complaining to state police officials about Wooten since before she became governor. In March 2006, he received a five-day suspension for drinking beer in his patrol car, illegally shooting a moose under his wife's hunting permit and using a Taser on his 10-year-old stepson "in a training capacity."

In the February 29 call by Frank Bailey, Palin's boards and commissions director, to state police Lt. Rodney Dial, Bailey complained there had been "absolutely no action for a year on this issue." During the call, he said there was some "really funny business" about a worker's compensation claim Wooten had filed and suggested he lied about a health condition on his state police job application.

When she turned over the recording to the Legislature, Palin said she was "truly disappointed and disturbed to learn that a member of this administration contacted the Department of Public Safety regarding Trooper Wooten. At no time did I authorize any member of my staff to do so."
what does any of this have to do with his right to privacy possibly being violated? sure it paints him as a pretty "bad" guy and if that's the case, well, then, he's a "bad" guy, and probably deserved to be fired, but I'm pretty whether or not he deserved to be fired, under the law, good or bad, all guys are supposed to have a right to privacy on such issues.

as far as 7's McCain's "done"... seems a tad (and by a tad I mean RIDICULOUSLY) naive,
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what does any of this have to do with his right to privacy possibly being violated? sure it paints him as a pretty "bad" guy and if that's the case, well, then, he's a "bad" guy, and probably deserved to be fired, but I'm pretty whether or not he deserved to be fired, under the law, good or bad, all guys are supposed to have a right to privacy on such issues.

as far as 7's McCain's "done"... seems a tad (and by a tad I mean RIDICULOUSLY) naive,

cheese - my point is that nothing that has been presented confirms that private records were violated at the request/command of Palin.
Additionally, simply because someone says the dude "lied on his police application", certainly does not confirm that any private files were opened...
Again - the jump to convict Palin based on sketchy and incomplete reporting is simply comical... sad actually...
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Old September 4th, 2008, 06:09 PM   #13
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Let's see if we can get this straight. He threatened her family, drank beer in his patrol car, shot a moose illegally and tasered a 10 year old boy. Sounds like someone you'd want running around with a gun and a badge, doesn't it? How'd you like to have this guy pick you up for speeding?

When she alledegly asks his boss, who works for her, to do something about it, he refuses and she fires him. Please realize that as his boss, she can fire him for any reason, even if it's only bad breath. Why didn't this guy at least investigate the allegations? If this was your family he was threatening, would you have done the same thing?
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See our republicans on this board keep pointing to the accusations against the trooper as if they are fact, but there was an investigation by the department and they were said to be unfounded. No proof, her word against his. NOT GUILTY!

So I guess they believe the department is covering for him, that there's some conspiracy out to get their savior. My oh my, they've known about this woman for a week and they are willing to believe her over the Alaska law enforcement.

Even the residents of Alaska by and large believe she lied. But, these folks know better.

What does it matter though, this won't be resolved until after the election and they don't care if she's guilty or not, she can read a speech and attack Obama, that's what's important.
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My oh my, they've known about this woman for a week and they are willing to believe her over the Alaska law enforcement union business agent.
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I guess I still believe that in our great country, we are all innocent until proven otherwise.
Then how come you don't believe that, when it comes to the trooper/husband in question, especially when an actual law enforcement investigation cleared him of all accusations?

Don't even try to deflect, because what you highlighted in your post above is clearly designed to highlight that the trooper/husband is a "bad guy," implying that whatever Palin and her people did is somehow justified.

Again, as I've asked similarly of 40 [which he NEVER responded to], would you give the same leeway if this was reported about a trooper in Delaware that Biden attempted the same thing against?

Again, partisan muckery abounds.
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