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eh, I don't really care what first ladies say - most of them seem like Stepford Wives to me... well, actually, maybe just Laura Bush and McCain's wife do. Nancy Reagan, Barbara Bush, Hilary and Obama's wife actually seemed, looked and talked like normal human beings that said things that not only made sense but were opinionated and intelligent.
that being said, if anyone in the campaign tried to play that card, i'd ridicule them to kingdom come.
Of course, I just posted it for humor.
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eh, I don't really care what first ladies say - most of them seem like Stepford Wives to me... well, actually, maybe just Laura Bush and McCain's wife do. Nancy Reagan, Barbara Bush, Hilary and Obama's wife actually seemed, looked and talked like normal human beings that said things that not only made sense but were opinionated and intelligent.
that being said, if anyone in the campaign tried to play that card, i'd ridicule them to kingdom come.
yeah, it made her look stupid, but no more than her outfit the night of the nomination. ANYONE wearing 300K worth of clothes is a moron of the highest order IMO (one reason the Oscars get me so disgusted - what a waste of money).
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Hey Joe, you like research.. how many times has McCain voted "present"? I stopped counting at 350+ from 96-2008. So Obama has 130 in four years, McCain averaged 120+ every four years. (They didn't have the records available online for his votes prior to that).
Huh? The US Senate has a "present" vote? You sure?
That's the Illinois legislature that was referenced, not the US Senate, for Obama's votes...and Present votes there are a tool to use when you like the concept of a bill, but not the actual bill itself, so you aren't voting "against" something, but you don't want to vote yes and see bad legislation enacted.
I don't think the US senate has a present vote. Are you trying to count how many votes McCain has missed?
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Huh? The US Senate has a "present" vote? You sure?
That's the Illinois legislature that was referenced, not the US Senate, for Obama's votes...and Present votes there are a tool to use when you like the concept of a bill, but not the actual bill itself, so you aren't voting "against" something, but you don't want to vote yes and see bad legislation enacted.
I don't think the US senate has a present vote. Are you trying to count how many votes McCain has missed?
I don't know what each NV stands for, it's not specified. It appears they have Present? I don't know, I'm only going by what's there.
Either way, he missed a lot of votes.
I wasn't aware of what the Present vote meant other than present. Interesting... so why is liking an idea, but not approving of the way it was written up a bad thing? So he doesn't just vote to get things through that are not ready to go through, or reject stuff that has potential.. huh, a thinking legislator. Another thing to admire.
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I don't know what each NV stands for, it's not specified. It appears they have Present? I don't know, I'm only going by what's there.
I think they have Present there because it is used for places like Illinois, and that site lets you look up state level reps and their votes as well, so they lumped it in with the NV category.
I'm 99.99999999999999999 percent sure there is no present vote in the US Senate, and it is not mentioned in their procedures...only a yay or nay vote.
It is misleading to say that he voted present since they don't have it, but even if they did the NV wouldn't tell you anyway. The spin on Present is that you can't make a decision (it's incorrect spin, but that's how it is portrayed)...
now, to be accurate just say that McCain rarely shows up for votes in general. He missed a ton of votes. Second worst was the guy who had a brain tumor, then Obama and Hillary. Mac missed something like 70 plus percent of the votes, barack around 45 or so.
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I think they have Present there because it is used for places like Illinois, and that site lets you look up state level reps and their votes as well, so they lumped it in with the NV category.
I'm 99.99999999999999999 percent sure there is no present vote in the US Senate, and it is not mentioned in their procedures...only a yay or nay vote.
It is misleading to say that he voted present since they don't have it, but even if they did the NV wouldn't tell you anyway. The spin on Present is that you can't make a decision (it's incorrect spin, but that's how it is portrayed)...
now, to be accurate just say that McCain rarely shows up for votes in general. He missed a ton of votes. Second worst was the guy who had a brain tumor, then Obama and Hillary. Mac missed something like 70 plus percent of the votes, barack around 45 or so.
I actually like the present vote in Illinois...probably should be called something different though. But it is a good tool, and it's really dumb that it is being spun the way it is.
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Maybe you have, but fwiw, I have yet to hear McCain or Palin reference the Guard as a basis for her foreign experience... Lord knows, she could have in her speech at the RNC, but she didn't...
We haven't heard Palin do much of anything except give her a big speech and a shortened, slightly altered version of it the next day. Speculation is that she won't make herself available to any questions by reporters before the debates. I've even seen speculation that they might never make her unavailable except on "friendly" shows such as just about anything on Fox.
All of the McCain surrogates have been making this argument since they announced her though. Several of them have also been claiming that she is experienced because of Alaska's proximity to Russia. Now in fairness I did hear that she receives occasional reports on run because of that proximity. Of course there's no is that she actually reads or understands them, or that they have anything to do with Russia's activity in Eastern Europe.
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Sarah Palin Troopergate: Republicans Fail To Unseat Democrat Overseeing Investigation
ANCHORAGE, Alaska — A Republican effort failed Monday to unseat the Alaska state senator overseeing the ethics investigation into whether Gov. Sarah Palin abused her power when she dismissed the state's public safety commissioner.
Democratic Sen. Hollis French was accused of manipulating the probe for political effect on national and state elections. Republican Rep. John Coghill last week asked the Alaska Legislature's Legislative Council, the body that appointed French to oversee the investigation, to discuss replacing French.
Coghill said he believed the investigation was lacking in fairness, neutrality and due process after French was quoted in media reports that the probe's results were going to be an "October surprise" that is "likely to be damaging to the administration."
On Monday, Democratic Sen. Kim Elton, the head of the Legislative Council, turned down his request. French's decisions to date have been appropriate, bipartisan and unchallenged, Elton wrote to Coghill. And the comments French made were "corrected in a very public way in the media," Elton wrote.
The investigation is examining whether Palin abused her power by firing Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan. Monegan has said he felt pressure from the Palin family and staff to dismiss a trooper, Mike Wooten, who went through a messy divorce from Palin's sister.
Anchorage prosecutor Stephen Branchflower, who was hired to conduct the investigation and compile its findings, "will not discuss the status of his review with the media," Elton said.
"I'm sure that all of us can work in a nonpartisan way to accomplish the charge given to the investigator by the Legislative Council," Elton said.
Coghill told The Associated Press on Monday that he was disappointed that Elton seemed to miss the political nature of French's statements and that he would appeal to the council chairman again.
"We all support somebody in this political race, but he took it right smack into this (investigation)," Coghill said of French. "I don't want to stop the investigation, but I think Sen. French has made it very difficult to get an independent view."
Elton declined an interview request Monday but said through his spokeswoman that he will not call a Legislative Council meeting until the investigation is complete. Alaska's House and Senate Judiciary committees meet Friday to decide whether to grant subpoena power to the investigators
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Its funny how cooperation with a bi-partisan investigation has gone away now.
Now it seems they will try anything to change the rules of the game, now it makes a difference. Its clear they will be attacking this every chance they get.
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