KloD

What? Show where I participated in spreading any rumor. Show where I smeared her or her family in any way. FU.

82CardsGrad

Here's one...

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KloD

Are you kidding???? Defending the officer against YOUR rumors and and assumptions that she's beyond lying? Are you for real? I simply point out that just as others are believing rumors, you are too.

You're desperate man... but, thanks for the false accusation.

Donald

I think he's referencing that Wooten admitted to a few of the things on CNN today already, and his response on the others was weak sauce and even CNN openly wondered why the hell he agreed to the interview. Guy is a straight douche...and guilty on two of the counts (tazering the kid and killing moose, which apparently is like killing a person in Alaska) and was wishy washy on drinking in the car and saying he'd put an effing bullet in Palin's dad's head.

Yes, he made the assumption beforehand, but it is bearing out.

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82CardsGrad

Not that this matters much, the douche also admitted to having "problems with women"! The reporter cited his 4 marriages and divorces, and the a-hole says, "uh... yea, I guess I do have issues with women"...
Incredible...

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KloD

No, the response to this was from posts by him and Harley that they were calling fact. I've had read the anchorage news story about the trooper and the accusations against him. I read about the 13 charges her and her family made against him, of which 9 were unfounded. I read about his suspension based on the 4 that they believed may have happened. I read all of this 3 days ago.

Some of the stuff they were calling fact, were not. I only responded at their spread of BS rumors. This was all 2 days ago and this a-hole using this as evidence to make an attack against me based on an interview that aired tonight? F him. I even tried to ask others to stop and got mocked for it. I've tried to be civil w/ 82, I've tried to discuss issues. I give up, no wonder he's known as the biggest a-hole around here.

Donald

Oh, yeah. No crap...that guy really hurt himself in "telling his side of the story." He just nailed that he's an asshat. I forgot the problems with women line.

But I will say, his lawyer has one hell of a monster moustache. That thing is the stuff of legend!!! Only grown in Alaska...

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Donald

Which ones were unfounded? I'm simply curious. I saw him on CNN admit to the tazering, the moose, and all but acquiesing to the drinking when witnesses were brought up by the interviewer. His response to whether he threatened the dad to "put a bullet in his effing head" was shaky as hell. And as 82 mentioned, he said he had problems with women. It was really, really bad. Like I mentioned, even the CNN anchors wondered aloud why he agreed to come on the show. He only hurt himself bad.

What were the other accusations that he didn't admit to outright or had bad answers for that i mentioned above? I might be missing some.

Also, the CNN piece said the guy fired admitted he was never asked to fire Wooten, but that's simply why he thought he was fired. If that's it, I mean...she can fire him for a plethora of reasons. If she never asked him to fire the guy, he can't legitimately claim that's why he was fired.

Not trying to argue your issues with 82 and Harley, just trying to clarify for my own education.

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KloD

I have no issues, I was only pointing out that they were participating in the same behavior as they were complaining about. Here's the article on Wooten from July that I read.

http://www.adn.com/politics/story/476430.html

Here's a copy of the complaint.

http://media.adn.com/smedia/2008/07/...ffiliate.7.pdf

I will note, he may be guilty as hell of all 13 accusations, he may be the biggest jerk to ever live. But, all but one of the accusations were based on Sarah Palin and her families word. Remember, he went through a bad divorce and custody battle with her sister, that IMO is suspect to question her word. I believe any rational person would do the same.

Though I have not participated in the rumors, I am just as dismayed at the automatic love for this woman based off a speech written by others and the campaigns claims of her record. I've read most of the stories in this paper and her local paper, I feel I've taken the time to honestly get to know Palin as well as possible while leaving out the garbage. I don't believe those who see her as the second coming have even made an effort. I find that just as appauling as the rumors themselves.

Donald

Thanks for the info.

One thing that I've had in the back of my mind in this whole thing is that it is kind of weird in that rarely will a politician have an issue like this. They had this issue before she was in office...I guess where i feel it is odd is that she is somewhat in trouble because of the complaints given because of her office. But how would you react if these things were done to you as a governer, someone threatening your dad (if true) and tazering your nephew (which he admitted to doing, even if "lightly")

Not to say there wasn't an abuse of power, but still, just because you are in power doesn't mean you can't be threatened. Hell, some people think the Iraq war is retribution for Sadaam trying to kill dubya's dad. I guess that all comes into play in his response, and hers, but at least she didn't call the national guard out to invade the troopers.

But really, is she no longer allowed to have concerns about the trooper? Especially when she is now in power? It's a weird, dicey situation. To me, the major point is that the guy fired admitted that he was never told to fire the guy....THAT would be abuse of power. It seems to me that there was some pressure put on, but not from her directly.

If you are mayor, or governor, or president, and someone you feel is dangerous to your family you have to walk a careful route while trying to get that threat out of the way. But you have to do so in a way that seems like you aren't using your power to make it happen...but if it is a real threat, then you should be complaining. Is she wrong to complain? I don't think so. That's all she did...she did NOT ask the guy to fire him.

But let's frame it differently. You have good evidence that a trooper you have on staff is a threat to someone who is complaining of his actions...and you know it to be true (which she would given that it happened to her family, she believes it to be true). As the mayor, would you follow up on that citizen's complaint? And if it were ignored, would you keep up the pressure? The citizen has proof, and you want it taken care of for your citizen...you would act similarly, right? I would, I think.

Now, if that citizen is you, but you are in power, do you lose that citizen right to complaint? The lines get blurred a lot there, but since she never ordered the guy to fire him, I think she is free and clear of wrongdoing. If your staff fights it for you, it is another blurred line, but it is not you.

It's a very odd scenario, I'll admit, but I don't think it is an issue. I really don't after seeing his CNN interview...

I am rambling, I know, but this is kind of stream of conscience here.

Ok...let me try to sum it up.

You are governor. You have several legit claims of abuse of a troopers power, including threats to kill a citizen's father. You bring it up to the head of the police. Little happens. Citizen complains more.

Firing the leader isn't an option, but you have firing power. You didn't ask the guy to fire the trooper. Are there other items that make you want to fire the leader? If so, this is one of the building blocks of making the case to fire him. He may have had any number of issues, to which you add the deliquency of duty to respond to citizen complaints to adress the situation. You fire the leader for a slew of things, one of which may be the deriliction of duty to address a citizen complaint against a corrupt officer.

All of the above would be above board, would it not?

Now, you are the citizen complaining. Do you lose your right to complain as governor? would you fight it similarly if you were not the subject of the threats? Or are you still above board?

IMO, it all comes down to that she personally never requested the guy to be fired. The fact that many serious complaints against the trooper were ignored, and he got suspended for a moose incident for five days, but you feel more was required means you question the judgement of the leader. So you release him from duty.

Are you that much different as a power person vs. a citizen in these cases, when your family is threatened and the threat is ignored?

It is a weird, odd case.

But I don't fault her...I don't.

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KloD

I just saw the CNN interview. I didn't walk away with the same impression you did. I also feel the spin they put on it doesn't jive with what I've read in the Alaska press.

The story I provided goes into detail on each issue.

The tazor was dumb, but it was at the kids request and it wasn't a normal tazor, it was the kind they use in classes. Also, he didn't shoot the kid with it, but yeah it was dumb. The kid was not injured.

The Moose, his wife with him had the license and chickened out on firing, so he did. Illegal, yes. But I don't see it as a big deal.

The drinking, an older guy claims to have seen him parked in a garage across the street. Is it possible the can was mistaken as a beer can?

The threat was only heard by Sarah and her son. Could be true, could have been a play in the custody battle?

The rest, unfounded.

Yes, I agree. If I thought my family was in danger I'd do something, no doubt. I guess the thing I question, there were no complaints of violence, no complaints of abuse (contrary to what a few around here have claimed as fact). There's nothing to add to the claim of threat that would give credit to the claim.

I encourage you to read through that paper of all the stories on her and on this issue. CNN left out a lot! Yes, the guy said he was never directly asked to fire Wooten, but the governor has changed her story more than once. She did talk to the guy herself and he stopped her and told her she was treading ground she should not. He recieved over 24 calls from her husband and staff to discuss this trooper and how they can't believe he still is employed. Isn't that pretty obvious what was going on? The week prior to his firing, she publically hailed him for the very same things she now claims to have fired him for. To top it off, the irony that she then replaced him with a guy who had a record for sexual harrassment. She claimed not to know about, guess he wasn't vetted properly? She then paid him off to quit.

She likes to say she was against the bridge, but she campaigned on it and made promises. Can she change her mind, of course. But the fact is she still took the federal money and spent it elsewhere spending on things like the road to the spot where the bridge was going to be built (the road to nowhere) otherwise the 20+ million would have had to go back to the feds.

That I'm not impressed with her, I don't feel it's biased. She stands for many things I don't. She gave a speech that when watching the second time I was even less impressed than the first viewing. Her expirence is minimal and exaggerated. I spent a few years early on in phx, but I split time growing up between Tucson and Showlow, Az. It has about 11k now, but back then it was less than 1k. I lived in Mendocino (population 800) for a few years, I appreciate and have a great deal of respect for small town.

Another interesting story that does not support her reformer claims.
http://www.adn.com/politics/story/516743.html

It's ok that we view her in a different light. I do hope you'll take more time to get to know her record that doesn't support the claims her and the McCain campaign are making.

Donald

Klod, I'll digest your post and respond later. You mentioned earmarks in it though..and I have to admit I'm not so up on how earmarks are done at the state level. What had Janet Nappy done with earmarks in AZ? Has she requested them, and for what and why? I wonder about that. Maybe someone can find that out for me while i sleep now.

If, as I suspect, that governers are bred to request money from congress for their pet projects, I wouldn't have so much an issue. I mean, you have to work with the system in place or you arent' doing your state its due service, right? Even if you don't agree with them nationally. it's the whole states/local politics vs. the fed. if they are dishing out, and you don't take, you look like an ass to your local constituents...right?

The rest of your post I'll adress sometime this weekend....

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But this is the same thing, except for the most important part ... She is a Republican

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cheesebeef

uh, can you show me where I've dug up a story like those guys? i didn't realize that simply asking questions about troopergate was me taking an opportunity to smear and perpetuate falsehoods. get a grip man.

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By who? You and 4 or 5 die hard lefties on here? If 82 is an a-hole you're certainly right up there too on that list.

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