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Yes I know about that, but they claim it untrue and it was unverified. However, I did find the Huffington Post wrote about it and verified it as a being a budget item, so that it was there is true. I'd like to see their response as to why the Palin team claims as they do, though.
From what I've seen, but not in a solid link, was that it was occuring Alaska wide, not just in Wasilla, and may have had something to do with the way Medicaid was billed for an Alaska program. HB270 didn't address Wasilla specifically, either. I'll try to track down more details on that stuff.
Before I say "wow, what a bitch" I think I'd like to see the actual facts of it all and the reasoning come out. Just like all the crap against Ron Paul that sounded weird on the surface (voted against honoring Rosa Parks?!?!?) I like to find out the whole story.
I don't see this as a conscious decision on her part the way it is portrayed..it would be pretty ruthless, IMO.
It was not Alaska wide and according to this story covering the the signing of the Bill back in 2000, most agencies including the state troopers have always covered the cost. Story (The story just says most, it doesn't tell of any other agency that wasn't covering the cost and it doesn't quote anyone else against the Bill other than her Sheriff).
The Sheriff whom Palin fired had always requested funds to cover the cost. It wasn't until her new Sheriff was installed that the practice began. Heck the guy even argued against HB270. According to Eric Croft who co-sponsored the Bill, they asked that the practice be stopped and were denied so he helped put the Bill forward. That the Bill is not exclusive to Wasilla makes sense if you want to prevent any other government from using the same practice, so of course it would be Alaska wide.
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It was not Alaska wide and according to this story covering the the signing of the Bill back in 2000, most agencies including the state troopers have always covered the cost. Story (The story just says most, it doesn't tell of any other agency that wasn't covering the cost and it doesn't quote anyone else against the Bill other than her Sheriff).
The Sheriff whom Palin fired had always requested funds to cover the cost. It wasn't until her new Sheriff was installed that the practice began. Heck the guy even argued against HB270. According to Eric Croft who co-sponsored the Bill, they asked that the practice be stopped and were denied so he helped put the Bill forward. That the Bill is not exclusive to Wasilla makes sense if you want to prevent any other government from using the same practice, so of course it would be Alaska wide.
Where do you have a croft quote on that?
It doesn't jive with what I've been looking at.
Also, since Knowles was the one signing this into law, if it were a Wasilla issue, he must be the most idiotic politician in history if it didn't come up when she was kicking him out of the Governorship...this is the only real reference to this in the Alaska news that I've found from that timeframe. One article by the frontiersman quoting the police chief, and the one as well from Palmer where Wasilla victims went.
Seems to be an unfortunate system issue, that occurs in many other states, that Alaska fixed. To try and spin it that Palin is anti-victim is as ridiculous as saying Obama supports infanticide.
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I also find it interesting that Croft is the guy Palin teamed up with against the AG.
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Croft, who is running for mayor of Anchorage and backing the Barack Obama-Joe Biden ticket, said he was impressed with Palin's willingness to join him in the case involving the attorney general.
"She got it right away" and never backed down, Croft said. "Her sense was that this was wrong and that she had to speak out."
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Former Democratic Rep. Eric Croft, who sponsored that bill, said he was disappointed that simply asking the Wasilla police department to stop didn't work.
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It doesn't jive with what I've been looking at.
Ok, I don't know what to tell you.
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Also, since Knowles was the one signing this into law, if it were a Wasilla issue, he must be the most idiotic politician in history if it didn't come up when she was kicking him out of the Governorship... this is the only real reference to this in the Alaska news that I've found from that timeframe. One article by the frontiersman quoting the police chief, and the one as well from Palmer where Wasilla victims went.
He wasn't Governor at the time. He had been Governor from '94 to '02 and ran again in '06. I'll pass on commenting on the above remark other than to say whether or not it came up in the campaign has no bearing on the stories validity.
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Seems to be an unfortunate system issue, that occurs in many other states, that Alaska fixed. To try and spin it that Palin is anti-victim is as ridiculous as saying Obama supports infanticide.
I saw you post one other instance. Did I miss how you conclude it to be many? Spin? The facts of the story are open for interpretation and speak for themselves, I've done nothing to spin anything.
It's a fact that for at least the 22 years prior to Palin firing the former sheriff, these costs were covered by the city. It's a fact that Palin oversaw the towns budget. It's a fact that the Sheriff she installed argued against the Bill. It's a fact that Eric Croft who sponsored the Bill is quoted as saying it was disappointing that simply asking the Wasilla police department to stop the practice didn't work.
There's no spin there, you make of it what you will and others will do the same.
Former Democratic Rep. Eric Croft, who sponsored that bill, said he was disappointed that simply asking the Wasilla police department to stop didn't work.
Well, that's a bit different than what you posted:
According to Eric Croft who co-sponsored the Bill, they asked that the practice be stopped and were denied so he helped put the Bill forward.
You made it sound that Wasilla denied to stop the practice, and thus they made the bill.
That's not what the quote says. It also doesn't say if he asked any other locales to stop, since he was asked about Wasilla and Palin for the article it's an assumption on both of our parts. Yours that he only meant Wasilla, and mine that it happened in other areas (which I'm still planning to check into).
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He wasn't Governor at the time. He had been Governor from '94 to '02 and ran again in '06. I'll pass on commenting on the above remark other than to say whether or not it came up in the campaign has no bearing on the stories validity.
It doesn't matter that he wasn't governor at the time. He ran against her directly for the Governorship, and she beat him in a pretty close election. If you think this albatross should rightfully be hung around her neck now, then he's the dumbest man on the planet for not hanging it on her back then especially if she her city was the lone wolf and he was the guy who put a stop to it.
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I saw you post one other instance. Did I miss how you conclude it to be many? Spin? The facts of the story are open for interpretation and speak for themselves, I've done nothing to spin anything.
How is it spin? I've seen it referenced in a few comments on some of these stories, and tracked down one of the references. I'm not going to go to every city in the country and check out their historical policy on it, though I bet we'd all be shocked. It just simply shows this isn't some isolated incident from Wasilla.
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Well, that's a bit different than what you posted:
According to Eric Croft who co-sponsored the Bill, they asked that the practice be stopped and were denied so he helped put the Bill forward.
You made it sound that Wasilla denied to stop the practice, and thus they made the bill.
That's not what the quote says. It also doesn't say if he asked any other locales to stop, since he was asked about Wasilla and Palin for the article it's an assumption on both of our parts. Yours that he only meant Wasilla, and mine that it happened in other areas (which I'm still planning to check into).
You lost me. He says they asked that the practice end and it didn't, therefore the reason behind the Bill.
I'm not trying to be difficult, I don't see the difference in what I wrote and what he is quoted as saying. I thought it was clear that he says they asked and he was disappointed that simply asking didn't work. To me, that suggests they were denied. Couple that with the Sheriff being against the Bill, I think it's clear they were denied.
He only discussed Wasilla. I don't know if any other towns had that practice, I've only seen the state police didn't and a remark that most didn't. The only one discussed was Wasilla.
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It doesn't matter that he wasn't governor at the time. He ran against her directly for the Governorship, and she beat him in a pretty close election. If you think this albatross should rightfully be hung around her neck now, then he's the dumbest man on the planet for not hanging it on her back then especially if she her city was the lone wolf and he was the guy who put a stop to it.
I don't know if she's to blame. I'm leaning that she wasn't paying attention, she wasn't doing her job, and that she appoints positions to some lame a-holes. I also don't know if it came up in the election or that he was aware of the link?
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How is it spin? I've seen it referenced in a few comments on some of these stories, and tracked down one of the references. I'm not going to go to every city in the country and check out their historical policy on it, though I bet we'd all be shocked. It just simply shows this isn't some isolated incident from Wasilla.
I didn't say you spun anything. I said I didn't spin. You made a comment that it was common and used one example. I thought it was reckless to make such a claim based on your evidence, that's all. Besides, even if it is common, we are discussing her involvement. She's the one on the ticket and the way she runs her administration is open to criticism. If she's going to use these as examples to her qualifications, than we should examine them, every detail.
Here's some info from the legislative session. Wasilla btw, is never mentioned in the minutes.
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TRISHA GENTLE, Executive Director, Council on Domestic Violence and Sexual Assault, came forward to testify. She dittoed Ms. Hugonin's testimony and asked for the committee's support on HB 270. It is a problem that has come up sporadically around the state. She has been working with victims of sexual assault since 1982, and it has been around since then. It is time to support victims and say this won't be allowed to happen to them. MS. GENTLE agreed the issue of children is important too. She believes that during the interim they need to be able to look at exactly what the costs are, exactly what the system is, how it's working and what would be appropriate and helpful legislation or addition to this and what might be harmful to centers that already exist.
There's other interesting stuff in there while they argued about the writing of the law mentioning adults/children and why (if you are interested in committee meetings, I guess. I found it interesting).
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I don't know if she's to blame. I'm leaning that she wasn't paying attention, she wasn't doing her job, and that she appoints positions to some lame a-holes. I also don't know if it came up in the election or that he was aware of the link?
I'll give you that one outright. Basically, the way I've been reading everything is that the police guy slowly removed it from his budget, before removing it entirely. in 1998-99 he had requested $3,000 and spent less than $300 of it. It was not in the next budget at all. Maybe he felt pressure to slash the budget from her, and made that call. I highly doubt she did though...she seems way too savvy to do that.
What I'm most suprised by is there was one article, only one, on this in the Wasilla local paper. That's it. Even the ADN didn't cover it, though the governor signed the bill in front of some hospital. I simply find all that very odd. It wasn't considered much of a big deal. I liken it very much to Obama's voting on some poorly written law about sexual education being exploded up into "he wants kinders to know about sex."
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Trooper-Gate: Palin's Shifting Stories
By Zachary Roth - September 16, 2008, 3:51PM
There's a moment in a lot of political scandals when the contradictions and inconsistencies in the story being put out by the figure accused become so glaringly obvious that they themselves turn into an important part of the story. We may now have reached that point in Trooper-Gate -- especially as regards Sarah Palin's stated reasons for firing Walt Monegan.
A court filing made yesterday by Palin's lawyer, Thomas Van Flein, asserts that Palin fired Monegan as the state's public safety commissioner because of a series of instances of Monegan's insubordination on budget issues, including Monegan working with an Alaska legislator to seek funding for a project Governor Palin had already vetoed. This alleged pattern of "outright insubordination" is said to have culminated in Monegan planning a trip to Washington to go after federal funds for an initiative to fight sexual assault crimes, which had not yet been approved by the governor. (Van Flein's account was in sync with the line taken last night by a McCain campaign spokesman at a press conference in Alaska.)
The issue of Monegan's work on the sexual assault initiative doesn't come completely out of the blue. In a lengthy exploration of Palin's record on combating sexual assault crimes, ABC News reported yesterday that Monegan was the "chief proponent" for an "ambitious, multi-million dollar initiative to seriously tackle sex crimes in the state," and that Palin's office "put the plan on hold in July," just days before Monegan's firing.
But whatever the role of the sexual assault initiative in Monegan's departure from state government, this is by now the third substantive explanation given by Palin for that departure. And, to one degree or another, all those explanations contradict each other.
In this interview from July, Palin said she fired Monegan because she was dissatisfied with his performance on filling vacant trooper positions and on bootlegging and alcohol abuse issues.
Around the same time, she told The New Yorker, for a story published this week, that she hadn't actually fired Monegan, but rather had wanted to reassign him to combat alcohol abuse, and that he quit instead.
She said that one of her goals had been to combat alcohol abuse in rural Alaska, and she blamed Commissioner Monegan for failing to address the problem. That, she said, was a big reason that she'd let him go--only, by her account, she didn't fire him, exactly. Rather, she asked him to drop everything else and single-mindedly take on the state's drinking problem, as the director of the Alcoholic Beverage Control Board. "It was a job that was open, commensurate in salary pretty much--ten thousand dollars less"--but, she added, Monegan hadn't wanted the job, so he left state service; he quit.
But the new line from the Palin camp is that Monegan was fired for his insubordination on budget issues, culminating in his effort to win federal money for the initiative to combat sexual assaults -- an explanation that neither Palin nor anyone around her had raised until now, two months after the firing.
That's by no means the only contradiction in Palin's story.
As we've explained before, Palin at first said no one in her office had exerted pressure to fire Mike Wooten -- the trooper who was embroiled in a bitter dispute with the Palin family. But after a tape surfaced of Palin-aide Frank Bailey raising the issue with a trooper official in a phone call, Palin backtracked and admitted that "pressure could have been perceived to exist," though she maintained that Bailey had been freelancing.
Similarly, she at first said that she had never contacted Monegan about Wooten except in the context of expressing concerns about the safety of her family. But recently, The Washington Post published emails sent by Palin to Monegan in which she expressed frustration that Wooten was still on the job.
And of course, Palin at first pledged total cooperation with the investigation. Now, through her lawyer, she refuses to testify, saying that the probe has been inappropriately politicized.
Update: According to TPMmuckraker's reporting, the initiative to combat sexual assault that Palin now claims she fired Monegan for trying to get federal money for, was designed to go after child sex abusers.
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But the new line from the Palin camp is that Monegan was fired for his insubordination on budget issues, culminating in his effort to win federal money for the initiative to combat sexual assaults -- an explanation that neither Palin nor anyone around her had raised until now, two months after the firing.
The state that has the highest number of rapes and sexual assaults, it's a crime Monegan wanted federal funds to help women of Alaska out! How dare he do that!
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The state that has the highest number of rapes and sexual assaults, it's a crime Monegan wanted federal funds to help women of Alaska out! How dare he do that!
Alaska has the highest number of rapes and sexual assaults? I find that truly hard to believe. Any proof?
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Of course it's not the highest total number, it's the highest per capita according to the FBI. 2.5x the national average. They have one of the highest sexual assualt against children too.
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