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Old February 5th, 2008, 07:29 AM   #1
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The Swiftboating of John McCain....


http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/


I heard this guy (Ted Sampley) on Ankarlo's show (which I love, btw) yesterday and he makes no bones about his dislike and distrust of McCain. The way he made it seem is that McCain is like Bush Jr - a privileged miscreant propped up by his father and the politics around his father. Apparently, McCain was quite the partier and he destroyed 5 fighter jets in his 23 missions spanning 20 hours of flight time.

I am not endorsing this, nor saying that I believe it. Sampley claims everything is sourced and cited, but you'll excuse my skepticism after the original Swiftboat debacle. We'll see if Kerry comes to McCain's defense as McCain did for him in '04 if this effort gains traction....
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Old February 6th, 2008, 09:29 PM   #2
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Looks like he ain't gonna get no love from the whacky religious right....

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/0...gainst-mccain/

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It’s not just Limbaugh - Dobson weighs in against McCain
By: Steve Benen on Wednesday, February 6th, 2008 at 11:16 AM - PST

Limbaugh, Santorum, DeLay & Co. are standing against John McCain, but in some ways, they’re Johnny Come Latelys — the religious right hated McCain before hating McCain was cool.

In 2000, James Dobson went so far as to issue a personal press release, specifically to “clarify his lack of support for Senator McCain.” Dobson said, “The Senator is being touted by the media as a man of principle, yet he was involved with other women while married to his first wife.”

McCain has at least made overtures to the Taliban wing of the Republican Party since, but it hasn’t helped. Dobson has a long memory, and this week issued a statement similar to the one from eight years ago.

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“I am convinced Sen. McCain is not a conservative, and in fact, has gone out of his way to stick his thumb in the eyes of those who are. He has at times sounded more like a member of the other party….

“I cannot, and I will not, vote for Sen. John McCain, as a matter of conscience…. Should John McCain capture the nomination as many assume, I believe this general election will offer the worst choices for president in my lifetime. I certainly can’t vote for Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama based on the virulently anti-family policy positions. If these are the nominees in November, I simply will not cast a ballot for president for the first time in my life.”
Drama aside, this isn’t especially surprising — Dobson doesn’t have any other choice.

John Amato: Have you wondered why it took the talkies and the Dobsonites so long to start to savage John McCain? Why didn’t they begin their crusade against him before the Florida primary battle which has also allowed Huckabee to take the south away from Romney? It’s hard to figure out a strategy when you hate all your candidates. It’ll be interesting to see how much McCain sucks up to CPAC next week. They have been too heavily invested in his destruction to be swayed at all.
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Old February 6th, 2008, 09:38 PM   #3
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http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/

I heard this guy (Ted Sampley) on Ankarlo's show (which I love, btw) yesterday and he makes no bones about his dislike and distrust of McCain. The way he made it seem is that McCain is like Bush Jr - a privileged miscreant propped up by his father and the politics around his father. Apparently, McCain was quite the partier and he destroyed 5 fighter jets in his 23 missions spanning 20 hours of flight time.

I am not endorsing this, nor saying that I believe it. Sampley claims everything is sourced and cited, but you'll excuse my skepticism after the original Swiftboat debacle. We'll see if Kerry comes to McCain's defense as McCain did for him in '04 if this effort gains traction....

Love love love the first video of McCain. I personally dont believe that them showing that is hurting him in any way to a majority of people.
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Old February 6th, 2008, 09:38 PM   #4
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If Dobson doesn't have a candidate I think we have done a good job. And I say that while sharing many -- if not most -- of Dobson's religious beliefs.
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Old February 7th, 2008, 09:13 AM   #5
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It's starting to look like, bar an alliance between Huck and Romney (which they would need to do soon to have any real effect, delegate counts put McCain over the combined totals of Huck / Romney), McCain is going to be the GOP nominee. The base of the GOP, which is currently trying to tear down McCain, then needs to make a hard choice: support the lesser of two evils, or stay away / refuse to support McCain, thus handing the elections to the Dems.

As I heard Rush once say: "You support your candidate, no matter how much you disagree with him. Because if you think he'll be bad, imagine how much worse the candidate from the other party will be."

It will be interesting to see if/when these groups come around and start supporting their front runner; or, if a deal is brokered between Huck and Romney.
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Old February 7th, 2008, 12:53 PM   #6
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If Dobson doesn't have a candidate I think we have done a good job. And I say that while sharing many -- if not most -- of Dobson's religious beliefs.
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Old February 7th, 2008, 01:27 PM   #7
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It's starting to look like, bar an alliance between Huck and Romney (which they would need to do soon to have any real effect, delegate counts put McCain over the combined totals of Huck / Romney), McCain is going to be the GOP nominee. The base of the GOP, which is currently trying to tear down McCain, then needs to make a hard choice: support the lesser of two evils, or stay away / refuse to support McCain, thus handing the elections to the Dems.

As I heard Rush once say: "You support your candidate, no matter how much you disagree with him. Because if you think he'll be bad, imagine how much worse the candidate from the other party will be."

It will be interesting to see if/when these groups come around and start supporting their front runner; or, if a deal is brokered between Huck and Romney.
Huckabee hates Romney... There will not, ever, be any sort of deal or alliance between those two...

With Romney bowing out - the nomination is essentially complete... It's McCain...
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Old February 7th, 2008, 06:04 PM   #8
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Huckabee hates Romney... There will not, ever, be any sort of deal or alliance between those two...

With Romney bowing out - the nomination is essentially complete... It's McCain...
I went and voted for that reason in our primary here in Missouri, voted for Hillary.

I did that because McCain can beat Hillary, I don't think he stands a snowballs chance in heck against Obama.

I don't particularly dislike Obama but I refuse to put an all Democrat government in Washington, my tax bill can't take it.
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Old February 7th, 2008, 09:23 PM   #9
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Huckabee hates Romney... There will not, ever, be any sort of deal or alliance between those two...

With Romney bowing out - the nomination is essentially complete... It's McCain...
Hate has nothing to do with it - it's about power and which alliances can get those people and the party in question to power.

I posted what I posted before the news that Romney suspended his campaign came out - I don't think Huckabee will be able to compete with McCain in the remainder of the primaries - so barring pictures of a naked McCain and a very disgraced Dobson (first thing that came to mind - sorry y'all), he's going to win it.

Politics comes down to two things: Public Policy, and the game of running campaigns and influencing others. While I am concerned about public policy, I enjoy watching politics for the game - most of the time, it is one group or individual against another (like a football game).

What I was trying to say is that if I was Romney, I knew that I couldn't beat McCain by myself - the anti-McCain vote was split between me and Huck. Therefore, some sort of deal needs to be reached. The logical deal is for me to offer Huck the VP slot if I am nominated. If he refuses, we both lose. Period. A Pyhrric victory is better than no victory at all.
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I just thought I'd bump this for consideration. In 2004 he was on Hannity and Colmes and this was the lead to the discussion:

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Does Kerry's service in Vietnam justify some of his actions after returning from the war? Or, does his correlation to activist Jane Fonda prove that the senator from Mass. has no core principles? Vietnam Veteran Ted Sampley joins the debate.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,111343,00.html

Will Mr. Hannity have Mr. Sampley on his show again anytime soon? Why does the right have absolutely no problems giving people like this stage, but the left never seems to take advantage of them?

Considering McCain's "Operation POW" against the American media this guy could mortally wound the McCain campaign to the gullible segment. Food for thought.
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I just thought I'd bump this for consideration. In 2004 he was on Hannity and Colmes and this was the lead to the discussion:



http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,111343,00.html

Will Mr. Hannity have Mr. Sampley on his show again anytime soon? Why does the right have absolutely no problems giving people like this stage, but the left never seems to take advantage of them?

Considering McCain's "Operation POW" against the American media this guy could mortally wound the McCain campaign to the gullible segment. Food for thought.
I think that you will see an attack like this, but it will come from the back allys that are in no way connected (at least, not apparently) to the DNC / Obama.
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Old August 28th, 2008, 11:58 AM   #12
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I just thought I'd bump this for consideration. In 2004 he was on Hannity and Colmes and this was the lead to the discussion:



http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,111343,00.html

Will Mr. Hannity have Mr. Sampley on his show again anytime soon? Why does the right have absolutely no problems giving people like this stage, but the left never seems to take advantage of them?

Considering McCain's "Operation POW" against the American media this guy could mortally wound the McCain campaign to the gullible segment. Food for thought.
The left has a whole host of whackos they just get up in arms and ridiculous about other subjects than the righties do.

Maybe you guys can get Se7en onto Hannity? He thinks everything is a republican conspiracy.
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Keep believing that.

The right wing attacks dogs are far more organized and vicious.
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Keep believing that.

The right wing attacks dogs are far more organized and vicious.
Yeah if I was you I wouldn't want to claim Pelosi or Reid either.
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