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Palin was introduced about 3 days ago. In that time, liberals on this board and all over cyberspace and some in the media have accused her of intentionally trying to undermine women's rights, of lying about the birth of her daughter's baby Trig, of (contrarily) being selfish and irresponsible for conceiving Trig in her early 40's, of intentionally disregarding potential harm to her baby by flying to Alaska to give birth, of being against equal pay for women, etc...
It's despicable, obviously. Now I know the defense, raised by somebody in the Babygate thread--conservatives have smeared Obama, and now they're getting their just desserts. Conservatives certainly have smeared Obama, so for some now to complain about Palin getting it is hypocritical. Getting into a debate as to whether accusing Palin of disregarding the health of her baby is worse than accusing Obama of supporting infanticide is really a waste of time, and I'm not making that point.
I do think Democrats are playing a very dangerous game here. Andrew Sullivan just posted on his blog asking for Palin's OB to verify Palin's story, Alan Colmes has written that Palin compromised her baby's health for political reasons, and it goes on. Why are Hillary supporters angry? Because Obama disrespected her. And what's happening among fairly prominent Democrat and liberal pundits? They're disrespecting and insulting Palin and her daughter and Palin's Down Syndrome baby, purely for political reasons--and disrespecting in ways far beyond an assertion that she doesn't have the experience to be Vice President. They're challenging her motherhood, the way she raised her daughter, her daughter's virtue.
On another thread I mentioned this issue has 527 ad written all over it. And I really do hope at some point some 527 with a self serving and wrong-headed name like Citizens for Integrity in Politics produces and airs a spot noting that Democrats and liberals have called Sarah Palin a bad mother, and they've called her daughter a whore, so let your vote in November send a message that Democrats can't get away with it. It would be completely unfair to Obama, but after what has happened over the last several days, I honestly wouldn't care.
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I posted yesterday that the Dems would be making a mistake if they attacked Palin too hard. I think they are screwing up here. God knows there is plenty to attack about McCain himself. They should ignore Palin and make her an afterthought in the campaign. All this energy would be much better served by getting after McSame. What they are doing now will backfire.
If I was Obama, I'd actually release a statement apologizing for attacks on Palin's family, and asking supporters to turn attention back to real issues.
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We live in a world which is full of misery and ignorance, and the plain duty of each and all of us is to try to make the little corner he can influence somewhat less miserable and somewhat less ignorant than it was before he entered it.
It is really suprising to hear from you that this is all ultimately going to blow up in Obama's face and hurt the Democrats big-time.
I would have thought for sure, given how objective you are, that you'd conclude that this will hurt McCain. Truly shocking. But if someone with a mind as open as yours could conclude that this will hurt the Democrats, it must be true.
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Oh, and her daughter is a whore, by Religious Right definitions.
If the woman who championed "abstinence only" education in her state thought that people wouldn't comment on her 16 year old getting knocked up, you're out of your mind.
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I have heard some of the news on this and so let me be as clear as possible. I have said before and I will repeat again, I think people’s families are off limits, and people’s children are especially off limits. This shouldn’t be part of our politics, it has no relevance to governor Palin’s performance as a governor or her potential performance as a vice president. And so I would strongly urge people to back off these kinds of stories. You know my mother had me when she was 18. And how family deals with issues and teenage children that shouldn’t be the topic of our politics and I hope that anybody who is supporting me understands that is off limits.
EXACTLY what I said he should do in post #2. Obviously, I now think he's pretty smart!
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We live in a world which is full of misery and ignorance, and the plain duty of each and all of us is to try to make the little corner he can influence somewhat less miserable and somewhat less ignorant than it was before he entered it.
I want to try an experiment - let's have McCain behead Michael Phelps on national TV during his convention speech, then we can all log on the board and read Kolobotomy's analysis:
"I do think Democrats are playing a very dangerous game here. It's really hurting Obama the way he is jumping all over this beheading thing."
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"I think Shipp would have had way more yards with the touches James has got." - SoCal Cards Fan
I want to try an experiment - let's have McCain behead Michael Phelps on national TV during his convention speech, then we can all log on the board and read Kolobotomy's analysis:
"I do think Democrats are playing a very dangerous game here. It's really hurting Obama the way he is jumping all over this beheading thing."
Wow!
Ed, that's one of the funniest posts I've read in a long time!
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We live in a world which is full of misery and ignorance, and the plain duty of each and all of us is to try to make the little corner he can influence somewhat less miserable and somewhat less ignorant than it was before he entered it.
Palin was introduced about 3 days ago. In that time, liberals on this board and all over cyberspace and some in the media have accused her of intentionally trying to undermine women's rights, of lying about the birth of her daughter's baby Trig, of (contrarily) being selfish and irresponsible for conceiving Trig in her early 40's, of intentionally disregarding potential harm to her baby by flying to Alaska to give birth, of being against equal pay for women, etc...
It's despicable, obviously. Now I know the defense, raised by somebody in the Babygate thread--conservatives have smeared Obama, and now they're getting their just desserts. Conservatives certainly have smeared Obama, so for some now to complain about Palin getting it is hypocritical. Getting into a debate as to whether accusing Palin of disregarding the health of her baby is worse than accusing Obama of supporting infanticide is really a waste of time, and I'm not making that point.
I do think Democrats are playing a very dangerous game here. Andrew Sullivan just posted on his blog asking for Palin's OB to verify Palin's story, Alan Colmes has written that Palin compromised her baby's health for political reasons, and it goes on. Why are Hillary supporters angry? Because Obama disrespected her. And what's happening among fairly prominent Democrat and liberal pundits? They're disrespecting and insulting Palin and her daughter and Palin's Down Syndrome baby, purely for political reasons--and disrespecting in ways far beyond an assertion that she doesn't have the experience to be Vice President. They're challenging her motherhood, the way she raised her daughter, her daughter's virtue.
On another thread I mentioned this issue has 527 ad written all over it. And I really do hope at some point some 527 with a self serving and wrong-headed name like Citizens for Integrity in Politics produces and airs a spot noting that Democrats and liberals have called Sarah Palin a bad mother, and they've called her daughter a whore, so let your vote in November send a message that Democrats can't get away with it. It would be completely unfair to Obama, but after what has happened over the last several days, I honestly wouldn't care.
While I completely agree with you, I think you're stretching this. You claim 'democrates' are doing this, isn't that obviously the type of generalizing and misinformation you are calling wrong? Sure, there are some.. not a significant number of left wing folks discussing this, but I even heard McCain's guy try to claim Obama was apart of this rumor. I'm sure you'd agree that his doing that is just as bad as the rumor itself.
Personally, I believe a McCain and Palin ticket in itself will sink so I'm embarassed this smear crap is going on. But, I get how after all the crap that's been and continues to be spread about Obama, after the lies that were spread about Kerry, some folks view revenge is the best policy. Calls to end this stuff have been called out for sometime and it never stops.
I do think her child being pregnant is fair game for people to make of it what they will. I strongly believe that had this other bs not been spread that they would have kept this secret until after the election. I also do not believe McCain for a second that he knew before now.
In one way I'm glad it got this bad, because now maybe some will think twice before they spead this kind of crap on the other side. So maybe some good will come from this?
Oh, and her daughter is a whore, by Religious Right definitions.
If the woman who championed "abstinence only" education in her state thought that people wouldn't comment on her 16 year old getting knocked up, you're out of your mind.
I think Obama has played it about perfectly since the nomination. This is exactly what I was hoping he would do. McCain threw a curveball at them, but the Obama people quickly reined in their surrogates. For the most part they are not attacking Palin too hard. They will let media and left-wing fringe do it for them. Then they can look like the good guys like Obama does with that statement. Ed is right here. It would be completely justified to go after Palin and the rest of the far right on this. It would just be bad politics.
At the very least this should get the media and the Republicans to shut up about Palin being the perfect mother with the perfect family.
Joe
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I have heard some of the news on this and so let me be as clear as possible. I have said before and I will repeat again, I think people’s families are off limits, and people’s children are especially off limits. This shouldn’t be part of our politics, it has no relevance to governor Palin’s performance as a governor or her potential performance as a vice president. And so I would strongly urge people to back off these kinds of stories. You know my mother had me when she was 18. And how family deals with issues and teenage children that shouldn’t be the topic of our politics and I hope that anybody who is supporting me understands that is off limits.
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