South Carolina!

Absolute Zero · January 26th, 2008, 02:37 PM

Polls closing in about 25 Minutes. Looks like another record turnout.

Stay tuned, this should be great.

Apparently, Hillary has already started spinning on the importance of Florida's primary on Tuesday (even though the voting will not count towards the selection of delegates and no one has campaigned there). But she will claim "victory" there nonetheless. Hmm. Look for her to mention Florida in her speech tonight. D I S I N G E N I O U S.

BirdMan21 · January 26th, 2008, 03:46 PM

Looks like a huge win for Obama...really want to see Edwards beat out Hillary, just dont see it happening with the numbers so far. But a pretty convincing win for Obama.

AZZenny · January 26th, 2008, 03:54 PM

Fascinating some of Hillary's staff are saying the Obama win will hurt him because it makes him the 'race' candidate. Spinning like tops.

D-Dogg · January 26th, 2008, 04:12 PM

Hillary is a hooker.

D-Dogg · January 26th, 2008, 04:18 PM

WTF is Bill Clinton doing making this speech on CNN?

Good lord.

I really hope Obama beats this two headed munster.

LoyaltyisaCurse · January 26th, 2008, 05:29 PM

I am really losing a lot of respect for the Clintons...OBAMA is gonna win this thing and the more they try to target him and maginalize him by making him "the black candidate" they are gonna lose more...

If anyone just watched or listened to Obamas speech: How could you not come away from it feeling inspired?

Too many focusing on race; Obama is an everyman's candidate.

OBAMA! OBAMA! OBAMA!

AZZenny · January 26th, 2008, 06:07 PM

I read that 60% of exit polled voters said the Clinton-Obama snit influenced them, and the majority voted for Obama. Now most of them probably were going to anyhow, but if it motivated a few more people to make it to the polling place who might not have put out the effort, it's backfiring on the Clintons.

The most compelling slogan for Obama might be Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton.

Looks to me like Edwards is toast.

Southpaw · January 27th, 2008, 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by AZZenny

Fascinating some of Hillary's staff are saying the Obama win will hurt him because it makes him the 'race' candidate. Spinning like tops.

I agree with her staff. He can't help himself from speaking about race. How do you talk about economics, budgets, constitutional crisis when they can't get past race. SC is a very strong Red state. The demographic results will be very telling.

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But it did, in a primary that shattered turnout records.

About half the voters were black, according to polling place interviews, and four out of five of them supported Obama. Black women turned out in particularly large numbers. Obama, the first-term Illinois senator, got about a quarter of the white vote while Clinton and former Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina split the rest.

Southpaw · January 27th, 2008, 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by LoyaltyisaCurse

I am really losing a lot of respect for the Clintons...OBAMA is gonna win this thing and the more they try to target him and maginalize him by making him "the black candidate" they are gonna lose more...

If anyone just watched or listened to Obamas speech: How could you not come away from it feeling inspired?

Too many focusing on race; Obama is an everyman's candidate.

OBAMA! OBAMA! OBAMA!

You seem to be overwhelmed by Charisma. Where is the substance?

Southpaw · January 27th, 2008, 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Donald

Hillary is a hooker.

Huh?

Absolute Zero · January 27th, 2008, 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by wallyburger

You seem to be overwhelmed by Charisma. Where is the substance?

Wally, you have apparently missed Obama's major policy speeches on all the issues of our day. He's got more substance than any of the candidates, including his Iraq foresight that started in 2002, not 2006 like Hillary. Check this link if you want to catch up on Obama's substance on the issues: http://www.barackobama.com/issues/

Absolute Zero · January 27th, 2008, 05:27 AM

A few interesting tidbits in South Carolina. With 3 strong candidates, Hillary got 29% of the votes from white males, Barack got 27%. Overall, Barack got 25% of the white vote, not too shabby given the strength of the competition.

Big picture wise, it is amazing that Barack had to fight everything that Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton threw at him all week in South Carolina, including the lies and distortions. They threw all they had at him, and Barack won in a complete blow out receiving 55% of the vote. No one expected this big of a win.

And now Hillary is left spinnning the importance of the upcoming Florida primary, which takes disingenuity to a whole new level since no one has campaigned there and no delegates will be awarded based upon the voting there.

82CardsGrad · January 27th, 2008, 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Absolute Zero

A few interesting tidbits in South Carolina. With 3 strong candidates, Hillary got 29% of the votes from white males, Barack got 27%. Overall, Barack got 25% of the white vote, not too shabby given the strength of the competition.

Big picture wise, it is amazing that Barack had to fight everything that Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton threw at him all week in South Carolina, including the lies and distortions. They threw all they had at him, and Barack won in a complete blow out receiving 55% of the vote. No one expected this big of a win.

And now Hillary is left spinnning the importance of the upcoming Florida primary, which takes disingenuity to a whole new level since no one has campaigned there and no delegates will be awarded based upon the voting there.

This was a nice win for Obama- but a not-surprising win at all... He doesn't want to get dragged into it, but the reality is that Bilary has done a masterful job of amping up the race issue... Barack won 80% of the black vote in SC - which is exactly what Bilary wanted to happen! They are setting this up for a huge back-lash, hoping that "white America" kicks back... Personally, as someone who despises any form of racism, and along with my visceral hate for the Clintons, I can't help but hope their strategy fails miserably. However, as a Republican, I know that Barack represents a much more formidable foe than does Bilary...
Feb 5th will be one of the most exciting days in our political history... Nobody should be counting out the Clintons... Bilary still has wide support among women - particularly white women. She/they also have a large amount of support among hispanics/latin Americans... And should their race strategy take root - I believe she will be victorious in the end...

As for Obama, his speech last night was terrific. Very inspirational. As an American, I have to admit that I feel a fair amount of pride in seeing a Black candidate get to this stage of the race. However, I can't help but feel as though he is simply reading cards filled with a bunch of rhetoric... I NEVER agree with Wally, but I do see his point here - Obama comes across as light on specifics, and heavy on rhetoric...
I wonder what would happen if he and Ron Paul ever joined forces??

Southpaw · January 27th, 2008, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Absolute Zero

Wally, you have apparently missed Obama's major policy speeches on all the issues of our day. He's got more substance than any of the candidates, including his Iraq foresight that started in 2002, not 2006 like Hillary. Check this link if you want to catch up on Obama's substance on the issues: http://www.barackobama.com/issues/

Those aren't policy speeches in that website. That is PR pulp. Platitudes and sidesteps. Faith & Family? Please?

I haven't missed anything, because there hasn't been anything. Charisma, Pally. You are being charmed and right now by beating up each other, rather than taking a stand on " issues " they are playing into the Pub's hands. They are doing the dirty work for the Pubs. Same old BS. Like walking into a battlefield on crutches and bloody wounds. If these candidates wnat to seperate, then they need to make firm stands on issues, not this evasive, I have a plan rhetoric.

AZZenny · January 27th, 2008, 07:35 AM

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Bilary still has wide support among women - particularly white women

There was a program on radio a couple days ago discussing the underlying ambivalence women -- white women in particular -- have towards Hillary, and there were several good explanations for it. MOST of the white educated women I know, even the ones who plan to vote for her, are not comfortable with her on some levels, and I think if they see that Bill has to fight her battles, it will be a turn-off to many.

Wally, I think you over-estimate the importance of clear-cut policy discussion at this point in the race. All a pres gets to do is paint broad outlines anyhow -- it's who s/he appoints to fill in the dots and how they work together with the congress and existing bureaucracies that matter.

While Obama is relatively inexperienced, I don't think he's naive; while Billary has the experience, I do not believe they can play well with others, the way the DC playground is set up. If I thought Billary could dismantle the State Dept and the Intelligence community and start them over, I'd vote for them in a heartbeat -- but they will have no more success than anyone else, and will be fighting the character assassination fight -- that they've finally gotten good at -- the entire time.