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Senator Obama Campaign Manager David Plouffe on the RBC...
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Campaign Manager David Plouffe on the RBC...
We're extremely gratified that the commission agreed on a fair solution that will allow Michigan and Florida to participate in the Convention. We appreciate their efforts, and those of the party leadership of both states, to bring this resolution about.
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The decision might have been in his favor but no one won today.
Sweet, weepin' gee-a-zuz, Joe.... Give it up.
This was, for all intents and purposes, won BEFORE today. Hillary is toast.
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Both FL and MI will be seated. Both have been penalized - their delegate votes only count as half votes.
However, in MI, Obama won a huge victory, as since Obama was not on the ticket, 40% voted for "uncommitted". Those delegates that should have been given to Uncommitted have been given to Obama.
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The decision might have been in his favor but no one won today.
Disagree completely. It was never realistic to think that both states delegates would not be seated. Obama got almost everything he wanted - delegates cut in half, and the uncommitted delegates in MI committed to him.
The only better scenario was if Obama had gotten both delegates split an even 50/50 - and I doubt that would have happened at all.
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Disagree completely. It was never realistic to think that both states delegates would not be seated. Obama got almost everything he wanted - delegates cut in half, and the uncommitted delegates in MI committed to him.
To assume that all 40% was Obama votes in absurd. there were other candidates running at the time. Lets hope those states don't remember come the general.
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To assume that all 40% was Obama votes in absurd. there were other candidates running at the time. Lets hope those states don't remember come the general.
Yeah... right. With you, it's always about Hillary. Clearly, this was over long ago and today's decision was definitely a loss for Clinton.
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To assume that all 40% was Obama votes in absurd. there were other candidates running at the time. Lets hope those states don't remember come the general.
To assume that he would only have pulled 40% HAD HE CAMPAIGNED THERE is even more absurd, Joe. Obama followed the rules there. Penalizing him for it would be incredibly unfair and just plain stupid.
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ToLets hope THAT state don't remember come the general.
FTFY...
Secondly, it was the entire state democratic party that came up with the solution that represent the people of Michigan. There was overwhelming support for the measure that ultimately passed throught the DNC.
So, I think you are overstating the impact here. Also, the Obama camp had the votes for a 50-50 split and decided to go with the 69-59 deal.
Personally, I think they should've just accepted the 74-55 because it would've appeased Ickes and his attack dogs and really wont make a big impact on the outcome of the delgates.
Secondly, it was the entire state democratic party that came up with the solution that represent the people of Michigan. There was overwhelming support for the measure that ultimately passed throught the DNC.
So, I think you are overstating the impact here. Also, the Obama camp had the votes for a 50-50 split and decided to go with the 69-59 deal.
Personally, I think they should've just accepted the 74-55 because it would've appeased Ickes and his attack dogs and really wont make a big impact on the outcome of the delgates.
What? He didn't have the votes..they only had exit polls as a means to justify what he would have received. Exit polls have proved he polls better than the actual outcome throughout this election.
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Secondly, it was the entire state democratic party that came up with the solution that represent the people of Michigan. There was overwhelming support for the measure that ultimately passed throught the DNC.
So, I think you are overstating the impact here. Also, the Obama camp had the votes for a 50-50 split and decided to go with the 69-59 deal.
Personally, I think they should've just accepted the 74-55 because it would've appeased Ickes and his attack dogs and really wont make a big impact on the outcome of the delgates.
I don't think that the Clinton campaign would have accepted the 74-55 result either - they would have made the case that those delegates should have been uncommitted. While this argument would have been harder for the public to understand (in it's concept), it would have been an argument nonetheless.
As for the 69-59 vs. the 74-55, I think that it gives the HRC campaign a much easier talking point - which would be "They're taking delegates away from us. This is stealing the election!".
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What? He didn't have the votes..they only had exit polls as a means to justify what he would have received. Exit polls have proved he polls better than the actual outcome throughout this election.
That is all true. However, the issue was that the election there was not a fair and equal election (everyone pretty much agrees on this, both campaigns, the committee, and the state democratic party). So, the question is how do you make it fair? The 69-59 split was what the state party came up with. They could have gone with the 74-55, and I think that Obama would have gone along with it after some crying.
No way that Obama was going to accept the 55 delegates becoming uncommitted.
No one was happy with the compromise. That's why I think it was fair.
I think Ickes would have been "unhappy" no matter what would have been decided. The only way he would have been happy is if they gave 100% of everything to Hillary. I am watching Ickes on Meet The Press right now. He's flip flopping from his previous Meet The Press visit. He told Russert before delegates elect, and made Russert repeat that to him. Now he's saying it's popular vote, not delegates.
Ickes just said Barack Obama will make a good President! He asked how Obama could win Nevada, among other states. he needs to look at the Primary map. Obama has won Nevada! McCain couldn't win Nevada in his party's caucus!
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