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Old September 2nd, 2008, 09:54 AM   #1
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Sarah Palin - surprised no one made a thread about her


Trying to add her position on things. Please feel free to add posts containing her position on things, or commentary on them (pro/con/whatever). I can't believe anyone would pick her. I simply cannot believe it. Here goes.

-Well she doesn't believe in global warming

-Doesn't believe humans are changing the environment

-Wants to take the dwindling, drowning polar bear off the protected/endangered list

-Believes in teaching Creationism - Alaska does
I wish someone would show her a fossil of things older than 6,000 years and see her response.

---Believes in teaching Abstinence only - Alaska does
---Has a 17 year old pregnant daughter (see the connection?) -dangerous, dangerous policy (some say she might only be 16)
---before people knock this aspect, it's true, her daughter's pregnancy is a product of an abstinence only education, which palin and the repubs have on their platform
---Palin herself paraded her daughter on stage with a big pregnant belly
---Palin's camp is releasing info herself about her daughter, including, she plans to marry the father, and 18 year old. Not that they will, or whether HE wants to, but SHE PLANS to. Pretty easy way to be non-committal but have it sound good in case the guy ditches her. Which I hope isn't the case, but happens when you're young and get pregnant. That's why you use...contraception. Sad that we are teaching kids they don't work...so they foster the attitude...well if they don't work, why use them? Thank you Gov. Palin.

-Palin also shows horrible judgment on her own baby issues
When in labor, IN LABOR, leaking seminal fluid, she decides to fly.yep FLY. Not a phx to tucson trip. But from Dallas, to Seattle, Seattle to Anchorage, Anchorage to her hometown one. Endangering herself, the baby, everyone on board those planes if it had to make an emergency landing (and whatever they were doing, maybe scrubbing a job interview, or a big business contract, and potentially the airlines bottom line). Shows POOR judgment, horrible judgment. Shows arrogance, shows she puts herself above all others.

Realistically has 5 children, one premature with down syndrome, and a child who is having a child. But now she needs to learn everything about everything outside Alaska by Bush's, err McCain's (bush's) lobbyists...err advisors (lobbyists), AND be a mother? Guess what human beings will suffer?

Now I'm not privvy to what happens when one has a disabled child, but my guess is the first couple of years the parents, especially the mother (with which every baby forms a special bond with), needs to be around those children a ton. Maybe I'm wrong on that, but my common sense tells me she needs to be there for her baby more than for McCain.

Is nothing like Hillary Clinton, stands for NOTHING that Clinton stands for. Is a slap in the face to Clinton, and her supporters.

Anyone that compares her to Clinton is loony.

-Was elected gov, in 2006. Her first budget...HER FIRST, isn't even complete yet, since almost the first year of her term was under the budget of the previous governor. Let's not forget of 650,000 people. Her mayoral budget was 12 million dollars that oversaw 6000 people.

-Wants to drill for oil in anwar. (which will basically do nothing except muck up the environment, and give a little more money to the oil companies)...which also shows lack of judgement

-Is a woman on a witch hunt. Yep, we have Ms. Salem witch trials running for VP. Her M.O. is to be a part of something, than witch hunt everyone else around her so she can move up the ladder. She went around looking for any little thing to bust her peers so she could move up. She did, and then became the leader. How sad. Guess what will happen if she's VP? She'll find a way to witch hunt America. Anyone want that type of craziness one heartbeat away from the presidency?

-Her education policy? Fully fund K-12. That's it. Which of course we know most school funding is from the state level, not the federal. So obviously she has no VP education policy, that was her policy as governor, and it's pretty weak that that is it.

-Hates gays, and obviously their god given rights, which also makes her a bigot

-Against stem cell research

-Against equal pay for equal work

-Is a liar
Said she wasn't for the 'bridge to nowhere', even saying she said to congress 'thanks, but no thanks'. Which ofc are the words that were said over and over again by her competition, which makes her using those words kinda lame. But she really WAS for the 'bridge to nowhere'. There are even quotes where she basically says that it will be good for the prosperity of those people. But her ambition, and the fact that people caught onto the bridge, caused her to flip-flop, and go against it. Now she tells the story like she led the charge against it. B.S.

-Only talked with McCain 3 times, before being chosen, only ONCE before being put on the list. One of those 3 times, at least, was over the phone.

Wasn't elected to be vp, was selected by ONE MAN. She has not been put through the ringers, and now when we should be getting down to business, people expect that we should be vetting her for it. Lame. Also since people mostly vote for the top of a ticket, she never needs to be vetted, since she was selected by ONE man.

Not the 18 million that voted for Obama. Not the fact that he was a state senator for 8 years before running for Senator. Also was put through the ringer for almost 2 years as a candidate. His positions on record, and on camera, and you KNOW his position on event like Iraq have been longstanding, and enduring. Not that he was RIGHT on the Iraq war BEFORE it started. Showing good judgment there.

-Palin even now, with the benefit of hindsight, is still blind as a bat. Saying we did the right thing. Yada, Yada. Good thing her son is going on....Sept 11, to Iraq. Good. About time we don't have a chicken hawk running from the repubs. (sans McCain ofc)

So this is the women that McCain wants to be VP, and thinks is READY to be president. A heartbeat away from the presidency for a 72 year old candidate who has already had multiple bouts of cancer. Is pandering to the woman vote and the religious right vote. (yep she's a religous right fanatic). She not a reformer, she a performer. She performs her act at changing things to be religous right, and then says that makes her a reformer. No, denying rights and going backwards, IS NOT a reformer.

This was McCain's first decision as a potential president. He obviously shows NO JUDGMENT, and has NO RESPECT for the VP position. How can you do this after basing your campaign off you being experienced, and Obama isn't...this girl lives in her Alaskan fantasy world. Oblivious to the outside world, yet she's ready to be commander-in-chief? She can stare down Bin laden, or putin, or Iran's pres? Please.

She'll be told what she does as a puppet of the Bush guys. She'll be told what to think on foreign policy, basically what to think on everything. Sad, very sad.

Oh yeah, and if she battles corruption, why does she try to hide the truth so much? Why does she try to use her power to fire the head of DPS because that person won't fire her brother-in-law?

She's full of everything. She crazy right wing, crazy religious, crazy with power, Crazy on witch hunts, and will be told what to do by outside people. What a lame choice for VP. She pushes back the female agenda, because she is such a horrible, unqualified, choice.

Also shows you how bad of judgement McCain has. I love the 'you'll love her the more you get to know her comment'...How can anyone say that if you've only spoken to her THREE fricken times?? McCain is clueless, his lobbyists are running his campaign. It shows you how much thought he'll put into his decisions as president....not much at all. To be honest, as bad as I think bush is, I think at this point, a McCain/Palin ticket would stand to be worse. Seriously.

This is basically a running list, post more if you have them. I know I'm forgetting stuff.

I'm trying to think of a good thing to say about her....she's a good speaker, aside from the tone of voice.

McCain thinks he's going to get millions of these women who voted for Hillary. But I doubt it. It's a small possibility. But I say more like 18,000-180,000 would. Which is 1/10 of a percent to 1 percent of who voted for Hillary. But what they forget is that they are the party of racist, bigot, sexists, macho guys. Not saying they are all ofc, but if you are a racist, you can be in the GOP, you can be a bigot and be in the GOP, can be a sexist and be in GOP, act all macho tough as being cool and be in the GOP. My guess is those type of people won't vote or find a very hard time voting for a woman on the ticket. So in my estimation, whatever women he gains from Hillary, he'll lose 3x that from his base. She will solidify the religious crazies, but so would a number of other candidates he could have chosen.

If you want a good laugh, watch the right wing pundits trying to defend her. It really, really is hilarious. Last night Tarrantos on MSNBC made me laugh really hard trying to put lipstick on this pig. Gotta love how NOW McCain is sending people up to alaska to vet her. They hadn't even checked the newspapers up there about her, lol. Surprise!
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Old September 2nd, 2008, 10:22 AM   #2
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The Demos are really running scared and I don't blame them. The country is consumed with this young lady and the fact that the Demos are trying so hard to discredit her reinforces my belief that McCain has really played an ace.

It has accomplished it's goal of completely removing the Demo Convention from discussion and all eyes are focused on Palin. If she can stand the scrutiny (and I believe she can), it could change the whole dynamics of the race. The blase response of the right wing conservative movement has finally been energized and there is an excited buzz at the convention.

We just might have a horse race on our hands after all.
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Old September 2nd, 2008, 11:20 AM   #3
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No, I'm not scared of her as a candidate, I'd be scared of her competency in leading America if she somehow became president.

BIG BIG difference

Everything you see from the left backs that up.

HELL EVERYTHING you SEE from middle of the road journalists, and some honest repub pundits match that.



The Repubs talking point is this, 'take her faults and they are numerous, and spin it into that they are scared because she is a good choice'. Which is flat out wrong.

It hasn't replaced anything, the dem convention was a big success. It also was historic in probably being the best convention of any party for the past 40 years at least. There is no way the repubs can match it. Even with a woman on the ticket.

I don't need to discredit her, her own actions do that themselves.

She can stand the scrutiny just like Bush. Who just goes around and feels it's unimportant to listen to truth, fact, and reason. Do we need more of that? More of the same? We've seen what happens when you have out of touch president/vp this past 8 years. This one is probably worse.

The repubs prayed for rain, well they got it. Just not where they wanted it.

They energized the religious right, which does help them vote for McCain, but again they are going to lose all the racist, sexist, macho gay hating bigots that make up a fair portion of the Republican party.

If the nominee for a presidential party picks a complete whack job with no experience, who would lead this country to ruin, it is a reason to be alarmed. Simply because although I don't agree with much of the republican positions on things, there were far better candidates than Palin.

Don't mistake my post about being scared of her ability, it's more like of her non-ability.
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Old September 2nd, 2008, 11:39 AM   #4
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Is this a joke? Or did you really miss the 37 page thread about her 88?
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Old September 2nd, 2008, 11:48 AM   #5
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Old September 2nd, 2008, 11:59 AM   #6
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Is this a joke? Or did you really miss the 37 page thread about her 88?
Yeah I looked, I didn't see it. Feels stupid for missing it. I guess merge the thread into that one. I wasn't trying to make a duplicate thread.

edit: Aww I see it now. I didn't see the sub-boards.
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No, I'm not scared of her as a candidate, I'd be scared of her competency in leading America if she somehow became president.

BIG BIG difference

Everything you see from the left backs that up.

HELL EVERYTHING you SEE from middle of the road journalists, and some honest repub pundits match that.



The Repubs talking point is this, 'take her faults and they are numerous, and spin it into that they are scared because she is a good choice'. Which is flat out wrong.

It hasn't replaced anything, the dem convention was a big success. It also was historic in probably being the best convention of any party for the past 40 years at least. There is no way the repubs can match it. Even with a woman on the ticket.

I don't need to discredit her, her own actions do that themselves.

She can stand the scrutiny just like Bush. Who just goes around and feels it's unimportant to listen to truth, fact, and reason. Do we need more of that? More of the same? We've seen what happens when you have out of touch president/vp this past 8 years. This one is probably worse.

The repubs prayed for rain, well they got it. Just not where they wanted it.

They energized the religious right, which does help them vote for McCain, but again they are going to lose all the racist, sexist, macho gay hating bigots that make up a fair portion of the Republican party.

If the nominee for a presidential party picks a complete whack job with no experience, who would lead this country to ruin, it is a reason to be alarmed. Simply because although I don't agree with much of the republican positions on things, there were far better candidates than Palin.

Don't mistake my post about being scared of her ability, it's more like of her non-ability.
CF, you sound like a talking point machine.

Come visit us on the 2008 Presidential sub-forum. A lot more action there.
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But she has executive experience and Alaska is closest to Russia!

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CF, you sound like a talking point machine.

Come visit us on the 2008 Presidential sub-forum. A lot more action there.
Yeah I was wondering where all the meat was.

As you can see I've been busy in other threads there now that I see it.
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Yes, 40 the Dems are really scared of her... I guess they should just refrain from anything about her since the McCain camp is so sensitive and that anyone who dares look into her background be labeled a scared sexist...
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Running scared 40? Wow.

I think most Dems are just trying to figure out how to conceal their excitement over McCain's selection of her and how to point out her weaknesses without going overboard. I still can't believe that McCain picked her.
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The Demos are really running scared and I don't blame them. The country is consumed with this young lady and the fact that the Demos are trying so hard to discredit her reinforces my belief that McCain has really played an ace.

It has accomplished it's goal of completely removing the Demo Convention from discussion and all eyes are focused on Palin. If she can stand the scrutiny (and I believe she can), it could change the whole dynamics of the race. The blase response of the right wing conservative movement has finally been energized and there is an excited buzz at the convention.

We just might have a horse race on our hands after all.
Scared? 40, We're elated!

You've given us the demon we've so desperately craved!

We lost this:



and gained this:



Whooo boy! It's like you gift wrapped it and were thoughtful enough to include stupid scandals as well... How very nice of the GOP.
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Cardsfan88, your post was pure crap.

I stopped reading at
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Wants to take the dwindling, drowning polar bear off the protected/endangered list
You should get your facts about polar bears from a source other than Sharon Lawrence and the WWF.

If polar bear populations are dwindling and drowning then why are some Inuit tribes in Alaska permitted to hunt them every year. Also, polar bears are listed as a threatened species under the Endangered Species Act, not because of their population numbers, but because of their perceived habitat loss due to global warming.

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August 4, 2008, Fairbanks, Alaska – Governor Sarah Palin announced today the State of Alaska has filed a lawsuit in U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia seeking to overturn U.S. Interior Secretary Dirk Kempthorne’s decision to list the polar bear as threatened under the Endangered Species Act.

This action follows written notice given more than 60 days ago to Secretary Dirk Kempthorne of the Department of the Interior and Director Dale Hall of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service asking that the regulation listing the polar bear as threatened be withdrawn.

“We believe that the Service’s decision to list the polar bear was not based on the best scientific and commercial data available,” Governor Palin said.

The Service’s analysis failedto adequately consider the polar bears’ survival through prior warming periods, and its findings that the polar bear is threatened by sea-ice habitat loss and inadequate regulatory mechanisms to address sea-ice recession are not warranted. The Service also failedto adequately consider the existing regulatory mechanisms, including conservation measures within Alaska and the international community, which have resulted in a sustainable worldwide polar bear population that has more than doubled in number over the last 40 years to 20,000-25,000 bears.

The State takes seriously its obligation and interest in the management, conservation, and regulation of all wildlife and other natural resources within its jurisdiction. Alaska is also responsible for the welfare of its citizens, who are concerned that the unwarranted listing of the polar bear as a threatened species will have a significant adverse impact on Alaska by deterring activities such as commercial fisheries, oil and gas exploration and development, transportation, and tourism within and off-shore of Alaska.

Governor Palin also noted that the State continues to follow the actions resulting from the listing closely. On July 12, the State submitted comments on an“interim final rule” dealing with incidental-take provisions under the Endangered Species Act seeking changes to that rule to exempt all activity outside of the polar bear’s normal range from incidental-take prohibitions. “We believe that the Service’s decision to treat areas of Alaska where polar bears do not exist differently from the rest of the United States is in error,” Governor Palin said.

The public comment period on the interim final rule ended July 14, and while Alaska is hoping for rapid action by the Secretary to adopt a new final rule, it is also evaluating options for challenging the interim final rule if a revised final rule is not adopted soon.

“Although we disagree with this listing determination and with the Service’s initial implementation of the decision, we look forward to continued cooperation with the Service in the many other areas involving Alaska’s fish and wildlife resources,” Governor Palin said.

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Cardsfan88, your post was pure crap.

I stopped reading atYou should get your facts about polar bears from a source other than Sharon Lawrence and the WWF.

If polar bear populations are dwindling and drowning then why are some Inuit tribes in Alaska permitted to hunt them every year. Also, polar bears are listed as a threatened species under the Endangered Species Act, not because of their population numbers, but because of their perceived habitat loss due to global warming.
I don't watch Sharon Lawrence, and don't watch the WWF. I remember she was on NYPD blue, and she was in a Earthquake in NY made for tv movie, and is doing work for some political organization, which I'm not sure what the motive is or what the issue is. As for the WWF, I stopped watching that as a kid, and when I did watch it at 12-13 years old, I already knew it was fake.

So where was I wrong Folster? I said she wanted to take them off, your research confirmed that.

So their numbers have been growing, but that's the calm before the storm. When the glaciers are gone, don't expect the polar bears to be far behind.

You stopped reading, that's fine, bury you head and somehow believe that global warming is good for polar bears, so much so, that we should just let anyone shoot one for the fun of it.

You can call my post crap, that's fine, you are entitled to your opinion, but you might want to read your own rebuttal. The paper you cited came from none other than "The official website of Alaskan Governor Sarah Palin"...yeah that's objective

On it, it seeks to overturn the decision to list them, based on that one thing. But in the end, it's the same result. Use one reason, which may or not be legit, as a cover for people who want it off for non-legitimate reasons.

Don't forget that you can fiddle with numbers all you want. Polar bears over a 40 year span have grown...so everything is fine? What about the last 10 years, the last 5?

The numbers could have peaked 25 years ago, and have dwindled below a high mark there. They could have been 20-25k now, versus 10k 40 years ago, but had 50k 20 years ago.

Lets also get down to brass tacks, 20-25k of any species is about nothing.

So again when most of the glaciers are gone, what will we have left of the polar bears? We'll have your viewpoint that my post is crap, and Sarah Palin's webpage to look at. Great. This from a woman who doesn't believe in global warming.

Amazing the ignorance I see sometimes.
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I'll play along like you don't know. WWF = World Wildlife Fund. Not World Wrestling Entertainment(WWE)

As for Sharon Lawrence and the WWF, click here

The funny thing is that they can get those pictures of polar bears on melting ice every spring thaw. That commercail makes me puke.
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