HarleyRider

*bump*

Just so we can all stay focused and remember who we should be voting for this year.

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Absolute Zero

Is he participating in the Iowa straw poll? If so, go Ron!! I would love it if he served the pro-war Reps with a wake up call.

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DevonCardsFan

Here is a link to Ron Paul during the Iowa debate

Ron Paul in ABC Iowa debate on August 5 , 2007

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Monday Aug 6, 2007

Ron Paul answers questions during the debate at Drake University in Des Moines, Iowa.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles...060807Paul.htm


Here is a link to Ron Paul after the Iowa debate



Ron Paul In Farfield, Iowa 8-8-07

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Thursday Aug 9, 2007

C-Span feature on Ron Paul's visit to Iowa where he gave a speech after the Republican debate and took time out to meet the people afterwards

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles...07Farfield.htm

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DevonCardsFan

Yes is he is and to stay up to date on Paul,

Here is his MySpace and Blog

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...ndid=158537123

http://blog.ronpaul2008.com/

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SirStefan32

He really showed them, lol

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SirChaz

Get some perspective, he was picked to finish last.

For the money and media coverage he gets I think he did well.


Money buys votes and Paul probably spent the least per vote than anyone. While Romney bought 10,000 tickets and got 4516 votes, Paul bought 800 tickets and got 1305 votes. While Romney spent about $200,000 per vote, Paul spent about $200.

Paul's biggest problem is he isn't independently wealthy nor does he have big corporate donors. Neither one of those is bound to change.

I am somewhat puzzled at your disdain for Dr. Paul.
Perhaps you prefer those that promise an smaller government but only seek to deliver the opposite.

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Ron Paul – Nearly 10 Percent of Iowa Straw Poll Vote

FreeMarketNews
Sunday Aug 12, 2007

Presidential candidate Ron Paul (R-TX) seems to have proved that his campaign can turn electronic sentiment into real votes. Sources close to the campaign expected – along with the GOP – that about 25,000 votes would be cast at the Iowa Straw Poll on Saturday, August 11, and said that anything over five percent of the vote could be considered as proving that Ron Paul’s electronic presence was a tangible asset. This is based on national polling that shows Ron Paul at only 2 percent.

But only about 14,000 votes were reportedly cast. Thus Ron Paul’s showing of 1305 votes is almost 10 percent, or double what sources said was the base level of support that the campaign hoped to achieve in the Iowa Straw Poll.

By finishing fifth in the Iowa Straw Poll with about 10 percent of the vote, sources close to the campaign say that Ron Paul has shown that his candidacy is real and that national polls showing him at two percent are probably a reflection of lack of knowledge of his candidacy rather than a reflection of his standing, nationwide.


Update: Whether malfunctioning voting machines, which delayed the tally by about an hour, will give rise to controversy over vote totals either for Ron Paul or for others remains to be seen. Developing ...

See related story: "Voting Machine Malfunction Raise Hackles"

http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=47147

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Ron Paul, the Media, and the Web

Gary Benoit
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Sunday Aug 12, 2007

The mainstream media have largely ignored Ron Paul's presidential bid, until now. But Paul supporters are using the Web to circumvent the media.

Follow this link to the original source: "Ron Paul big on 'Net, but media don't notice"

COMMENTARY:
"Who's Ron Paul?" Undoubtedly many Ron Paul supporters have been asked that question repeatedly when their bumper stickers or signs are observed by passersby, or when they proactively bring up Ron Paul to others. But this writer believes that this question is going to be heard less and less often.

The reason for the question, despite the viability of the candidate, is because of the refusal of the mainstream media, until now at least, to treat Ron Paul as a serious contender. And the reason the question will be heard less and less often is largely because of the power of a new tool — the Internet — to get word out. In a nutshell, Ron Paul supporters have been using the Internet to circumvent the major media, and this end around play is already forcing the media to take more notice of their candidate.


One media voice who noticed is syndicated columnist Clarence Page. In fact, Page has noticed not only Ron Paul's presence on the Web but his lack of presence in the traditional media. "Of all the interesting little fish swimming beneath the currents of the major candidates in this presidential campaign season, none is making waves as surprising as those kicked up by Rep. Ron Paul," Page observed in his column entitled "Ron Paul big on the 'Net, but media don't notice" in the Chicago Tribune. "The Texas Republican, who embraces a libertarian point of view, has been riding an unimpressive 2 percent in the polls, but if the presidential election were held in cyberspace, Paul would probably win hands down."

Page continued: "Paul's supporters flood online polls, such as the unscientific survey ABC News invited viewers to join after the Republican debate last Sunday. Yet, you could barely find the Texas doctor in the network's after-debate coverage, despite the vigorous applause he ignited with his call for an immediate withdrawal from Iraq."

The results of that ABC survey should raise eyebrows. As this is being written (Friday morning, Aug. 10), Ron Paul had 41,981 votes out of 62,977 cast, or about two-thirds of the total vote. Coming in second in that survey was Mitt Romney, with a mere 4,637 votes. Yes, the survey is unscientific; yes, Ron Paul supporters do "flood online polls." But even with "flooding," one does not get 41,981 votes in an online poll without motivated and committed support. Ron Paul may not enjoy two-thirds support of the public at large, but this writer finds it inconceivable that his support is a mere one or two percent as the professional pollsters claim.

Generally speaking, when the media refer to the Ron Paul cyberspace phenomenon, they seem to treat Paul's cyber supporters as if they are virtual realities who do not exist in the real world. Of course, they are not virtual. They are real, and the media do not have to look hard to find them in the real world. The video below, for example, shows a number of them voicing their support for Ron Paul outside the Republican debate in Des Moines, Iowa. It also shows the media bias in downplaying their presence:

Media Bias and Ron Paul
But Ron Paul's support will be noticed more and more. The Des Moines Register recently noted that even though Ron Paul "barely registers in the polls," and even though at age 71 "he is the oldest candidate in the race for the White House," he nonetheless attracted "200-plus Council Bluffs supporters" consisting "mostly of college students and young families."

"Paul said he's received tremendous support from young people," the Des Moines Register reported. And it quoted Ron Paul saying, "Parents will say, 'The kids see you on the Internet and watched your videos and got us involved.' "

The Des Moines Register also quoted Paul saying: "Our message is true and clean, and that is to defend the Constitution of the United States." That message is attractive to many Americans, regardless of age. Yet in the past other presidential candidates also tried to run on that message but did not get the traction Ron Paul now appears to be getting. Why the difference? As already indicated, a big reason for the difference (though admittedly not the only reason) is the opportunity the Internet now provides for circumventing the major media and reaching fellow citizens with the freedom message. Using the Internet to spread the freedom message is something that all freedom-loving Americans should be doing, regardless of whether or not they are Ron Paul supporters.

And now a footnote: The above commentary was written one day before the Republican straw vote in Ames, Iowa, on August 11. I have no idea how Ron Paul will do — except that it is unimaginable to me that Paul will only get the one or two percent the media claim he has. More likely is that a few professional pundits will be surprised.

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SirStefan32

Dr. Paul is a great guy. He's been one of my favorites for years.

However, I can not and will not support somebody whose foreign policy is the same as that of Denis Kucinich. I suppose I prefer somebody who will not be as anti-government as I am, but will not bury his head in the sand and hope Islamic Fascists will go away all by themselves.

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SirChaz

Please tell me where he has said that anywhere.

Dr. Paul wants to defend the country but that doesn't include pre-emptive war.
The real problem is the current policy is not only making us less safe it is costing us a lot in lives and money too. Is it really necessary to occupy the middle east to make us safe from terrorism?

I don't think so.

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http://infowars.net/articles/august2007/140807Poll.htm

Evidence Suggests Ron Paul Was Cheated
Ron Paul's fifth place in the Iowa Straw Poll questioned due to voting machine failure, fuzzy figures and conflicts of interest

Steve Watson
Infowars.net
Tuesday, August 14, 2007






A host of curious events at the Iowa Straw Poll at the weekend has raised questions as to whether there was some kind of tampering with the final vote count, with evidence to suggest Ron Paul may have been wrongly placed in fifth position behind Mitt Romney and three second tier candidates.

It was reported by local TV news stations before the event that upwards of 45,000 Republicans would arrive to meet candidates and cast their votes, however this number was dwindled down to between 30,000 and 33,000 according to the Iowa GOP's projected figures.

The number of voters then decreased by another sizable margin to around 26,000 the next day, only for the final figure to drop EVEN FURTHER to 14,302 actual votes cast.

Even if the immediate figures of 45,000 and 33,000 were wrong and the Iowa GOP grossly overestimated the figures, with only 26,000 tickets being sold, this still does not account for the other 12, 000 tickets that suddenly disappeared. One has to ask the question why did 12,000 people buy tickets at $35 each and not vote?


In 1999 the Straw Poll, which was won by George W Bush, attracted 23,685 voters, an incredibly similar figure to the 26,000 tickets sold this year.

As we reported yesterday, it has come to light that the voting procedure was overseen the Story County Auditor's Office, the head of whom happens to also be a member of Mitt Romney's "Leadership Team".

When the electronic voting machines inevitably malfunctioned, many immediately became wary.

According to some reports 4500 ballots had to be re-run and the announcement of the poll results was delayed by over an hour.

Earlier in the week a group of Ron Paul supporters had attempted to block the vote based on concerns over insecurities in the Diebold machines, yet the 8th Circuit Court of Appeals refused to join an injunction against the vote.

It hasn't helped Romney's case that swirling around the blogosphere are rumours that previous to the straw poll he was "joking" out loud that his team were going to "stuff the ballot box".

The plot thickens with further analysis of the figures. A reader to popular website Whatreallyhappened.com writes:

FUZZY MATH #1
So we know from the state Auditor that one ‘problem’ machine contained 500 votes. Assuming most machines contained a similar pattern of use, then they should also contain about the same number of votes. 60 (machines) x 500 = 30,000 votes. That is more than TWICE as many as the official count. Based on a total vote count of 14,301, if all machines were used about equally, then the average number of votes per machine SHOULD have been 238 {14,301 (total votes) / 60 (machines) = 238 votes per machine}. What are the odds that one of the machines that ‘malfunctioned’ and actually gave up an audited vote tally would contain TWICE as many votes as the ‘average’ machine? But it gets worse…

FUZZY MATH #2
State Auditor David Vaudt (who unofficially certified the vote count) said that there were only 2 machines out of the 60 that were inconsistent (paper printout vs. electronic tabulation) and needed to be recounted. Mary Tiffany of the Iowa GOP said that a total of approximately 1500 votes were re-fed into the Diebold machines. Since we know that there were only two machines that were a problem and one of them contained 500 votes, then the second machine must have contained about 1000 ballots, which is more than FOUR TIMES what the ‘average’ machine should contain based on a total vote of 14,301. It seems more likely that there were actually 3 problem machines, and the true average per machine was about 500 votes, which would have resulted in a total vote of about 30,000 which is twice the official total vote count.
Though it was reported that "there were nothing but Ron Paul signs in the crowd" and that his campaign signs lined the highways and streets leading into Ames, Iowa, Paul came in fifth place behind Romney, Huckabee, Brownback and Tancredo.

Some exit polls also suggested that Ron Paul had actually WON the poll outright, before the final result was announced.

The Ames Straw Poll's results are non-binding and have no official effect on the presidential primaries. However, the straw poll is frequently seen as a first test of organizational strength in Iowa by the news media and party insiders. At the very least an investigation should be conducted to determine how significant an effect on the vote the Diebold machine malfunctions had and also why 12,000 tickets were not translated into votes.

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conraddobler

Ron Paul is the only candidate I've ever given money to.

Just did.

Going to do $100 a month until he's not in the race anymore, I also signed on as a volunteer.

I don't like that he's pro life, that's all I don't like and I pray that I have to endure living with that.

Everyone else is a lying clown.

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Donald

Ditto...

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Derm

best of luck....

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