Obama says Bush not solely to blame

DjaugheOld · August 16th, 2007, 05:34 AM

Crazy talk...but I like it.

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Obama says Bush not solely to blame
By AMY LORENTZEN
Associated Press
WriterWed Aug 15, 7:04 PM ET

Not all the nation's ills can be blamed on President Bush, Democratic candidate Barack Obama said Wednesday as he called on Americans to change the nature of politics and institute more openness in government.

"Part of the problem here is not just George Bush and the White House," Obama told a crowd of hundreds gathered at a park in Cedar Falls. "We can't just change political parties and continue to do the same kind of things we've been doing. We can't just go about business as usual and think it's going to turn out differently."

Obama, a senator from Illinois, said average Americans must be brought back to the table when dealing with every issue, from health care to education to trade.

"We've got to make sure workers are represented, not just CEOs. We've got to make sure patients are represented and the nurses are represented, not just drug companies," he said.

To make the government more accountable, Obama said he would post all non-emergency bills online for five days before he signed them into law, allowing Americans a chance to weigh in on the legislation. In addition, he said he would post all meetings between lobbyists and government agencies online.

Obama said he would require Cabinet officials to speak to Americans via national broadband town-hall style meetings to discuss issues at their agencies. He also pledged to issue an executive order that information about the government's operations must be released to those seeking it unless it could harm a protected interest.

Obama cited his record of backing ethics and lobbying reforms, including co-authoring a bill that requires all government spending to be posted online — allowing anyone to do a simple Internet search and find that information. He said that during his time as a state lawmaker he helped to create hospital report cards so that patients could understand the quality of care offered at each hospital.

dreamcastrocks · August 16th, 2007, 05:37 AM

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To make the government more accountable, Obama said he would post all non-emergency bills online for five days before he signed them into law, allowing Americans a chance to weigh in on the legislation. In addition, he said he would post all meetings between lobbyists and government agencies online.

Obama said he would require Cabinet officials to speak to Americans via national broadband town-hall style meetings to discuss issues at their agencies. He also pledged to issue an executive order that information about the government's operations must be released to those seeking it unless it could harm a protected interest.

It is ideas like this that has me excited. It still amazes me that Hilary still holds a lead over Obama.

Time to go donate again!

Absolute Zero · August 16th, 2007, 06:27 AM

These are just a couple of his ideas for government reform. Here is a link to the 12 page plan. http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/Takin...lFactSheet.pdf
The fact that he has 12 pages on this, whereas most candidates aren't even talking about his, says something.

D-Dogg · August 16th, 2007, 09:00 AM

These are the reasons why I'd vote for him over most of the Republican field of same-old, same-old. Ron Paul or Obama...different core beliefs of the role of government, but both on the same page as far as massive changes need to take place.

The fact that Hillary is leading in the polls is a testament to how well the system runs currently for the entrenched, immobile royalty of politics, and shows how truly flawed the system is for the people.

Mulli · August 16th, 2007, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Donald

These are the reasons why I'd vote for him over most of the Republican field of same-old, same-old. Ron Paul or Obama...different core beliefs of the role of government, but both on the same page as far as massive changes need to take place.

The fact that Hillary is leading in the polls is a testament to how well the system runs currently for the entrenched, immobile royalty of politics, and shows how truly flawed the system is for the people.

Yup.

dreamcastrocks · August 16th, 2007, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Donald

These are the reasons why I'd vote for him over most of the Republican field of same-old, same-old. Ron Paul or Obama...different core beliefs of the role of government, but both on the same page as far as massive changes need to take place.

The fact that Hillary is leading in the polls is a testament to how well the system runs currently for the entrenched, immobile royalty of politics, and shows how truly flawed the system is for the people.

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Originally Posted by Mulli

Yup.

Thirded.

Absolute Zero · August 16th, 2007, 11:20 AM

Here's hoping Hillary's spin machine gets a rude awakening in Iowa in a few months.

abomb · August 16th, 2007, 11:28 AM

Obama really, really loves him some Internets.

dreamcastrocks · August 16th, 2007, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by abomb

Obama really, really loves him some Internets.

..and I love me some Obama

Shane · August 16th, 2007, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by dreamcastrocks

It is ideas like this that has me excited. It still amazes me that Hilary still holds a lead over Obama.

Time to go donate again!

What he says he would do and what he would do are two entirely different things altogether. Poloticians say a lot of things that never happen to garner votes.

I personally dont think he has a snow balls chance in hell of winning but we shall see.

Shane · August 16th, 2007, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Donald

The fact that Hillary is leading in the polls is a testament to how well the system runs currently for the entrenched, immobile royalty of politics, and shows how truly flawed the system is for the people.

Please elaborate?

dreamcastrocks · August 16th, 2007, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Shane H

What he says he would do and what he would do are two entirely different things altogether. Poloticians say a lot of things that never happen to garner votes.

I personally dont think he has a snow balls chance in hell of winning but we shall see.

I truly hope he gets the DNC nod. There is no way that I would vote for Hilary, and I wouldn't vote for most of the Repub's either. If we have something like a Hilary/Guilani ticket, I may abstain.

D-Dogg · August 16th, 2007, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Shane H

Please elaborate?

Really? Come on. Read what he talked about, and then take a look at the way politics is played. Think about the individual freedoms in the constitution, and what Congress actually has been granted the powers to do. Think about all the stuff they do that they don't have the powers to do and that should be up to the states.

The American people are marginalized more and more every day by the RNC and the DNC. Lobbyists infect everything, having more sway than the mass of voters because their money can help grab more attention. Are you telling me that Hillary is an example of someone who really represents the people?

People are fed up and want a change; not a change in the party who holds office, but the mindset behind governing. However, the status quo of politics, and the pushing of the established, media-crowned candidates is stupid. People recognize Hilary because of her name and being 1st lady...so she polls high. Fred Thompson isn't even RUNNING and polls high, because he's the Law & Order guy and people recognize him.

Nobody listens to a damn word that candidates say...and you say that Obama has a snowball's chance in hell. Why do you say that? Your answer probably elaborates on my comment as well.

Our democratic republic is relying less and less on the people's input, and more and more on how it can keep power, drive wedge issues and keep people pissed at the other party. Lo and behold someone says ridiculous things like "post all meetings between lobbyists and government agencies online" and "issue an executive order that information about the government's operations must be released to those seeking it unless it could harm a protected interest" and people think, no...let's keep the status quo and that guy has no chance in hell of winning.

Shane · August 16th, 2007, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Donald

Really? Come on. Read what he talked about, and then take a look at the way politics is played. Think about the individual freedoms in the constitution, and what Congress actually has been granted the powers to do. Think about all the stuff they do that they don't have the powers to do and that should be up to the states.

The American people are marginalized more and more every day by the RNC and the DNC. Lobbyists infect everything, having more sway than the mass of voters because their money can help grab more attention. Are you telling me that Hillary is an example of someone who really represents the people?

People are fed up and want a change; not a change in the party who holds office, but the mindset behind governing. However, the status quo of politics, and the pushing of the established, media-crowned candidates is stupid. People recognize Hilary because of her name and being 1st lady...so she polls high. Fred Thompson isn't even RUNNING and polls high, because he's the Law & Order guy and people recognize him.

Nobody listens to a damn word that candidates say...and you say that Obama has a snowball's chance in hell. Why do you say that? Your answer probably elaborates on my comment as well.

Our democratic republic is relying less and less on the people's input, and more and more on how it can keep power, drive wedge issues and keep people pissed at the other party. Lo and behold someone says ridiculous things like "post all meetings between lobbyists and government agencies online" and "issue an executive order that information about the government's operations must be released to those seeking it unless it could harm a protected interest" and people think, no...let's keep the status quo and that guy has no chance in hell of winning.

Have you turned into Devon D? Come on now the voting American public isnt affected in the least by all of that money you talk about. Hillary and everyone else isnt out there buying votes. They just arent. The people as a whole(ones who actually care enough to vote) listen to what the candidates have to say and what they represent. They make a decision based on what they see, hear, and read.

There is no magical gun behind their heads being held by the govt. to make them vote one way or another in order to keep the big boys in office. If people truly wanted change in this country it is possible. The system is set up to make it possible. People just dont want change. they are comfy with what they have. Because like it or not this still is the best country in the world to live by FARRRR! Comfort is more important then people realize.

Its really very simple. Your conspiracy theories are very cool to read though.

Oh and yes Obama doesnt have a chance in hell IMO.

Rivercard · August 16th, 2007, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Shane H

Come on now the voting American public isnt affected in the least by all of that money you talk about. Hillary and everyone else isnt out there buying votes.

Wow, it's not everyday you hear someone intelligent claim that money doesn't effect politics. There is a reason candidates raise funds. Those attack ads cost money.