My Opinion: McCain camp encouraging assasination attempt on Obama - Page 11

Jughead · October 17th, 2008, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ActingWild

He just HAD to wear a Cardinals shirt....

Yeah...but at least its the St. Louis baseball version.

Mulli · October 17th, 2008, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Jughead

What manner would you approach the subject?

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Originally Posted by Louis

I wouldn't in the first place. It's pointless. If I were McCain I would've seen realized this did nothing for Clinton. 18 million + people spoke and voted Obama.

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Originally Posted by Jughead

So you don't know.

No, he said he wouldn't.

Jughead · October 17th, 2008, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Mulli

No, he said he wouldn't.

He wimped out then.

It goes to the heart of the case - How do you ask the question(s) without appearing racist?

Its a valid issue - but it appears that even if you ask about the relationship...you get labeled a racist or some type of insurrectionist.

AZZenny · October 17th, 2008, 02:55 PM

Ayers has nothing to do with racism, so that's irrelevant.

I wouldn't approach it either, partly because there's nothing there, despite all the huffing and puffing. (Unless you also want to call for the Illinois Board of Regents to fire the presidents of two Universities.) The guy was selected by a friend of Ronald Reagan, so get over it.

The other reason to stay away from it is because the candidate who stops trying to smear the other guy and purely talks issues will have the greater appeal right now, and the McCain people are clueless to think nasty approaches will win them new or undecided voters.

All it does is inflame their already mindless devotees, and disturb the more sensible and moderate McCain supporters.

KloD · October 17th, 2008, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Jughead

He wimped out then.

It goes to the heart of the case - How do you ask the question(s) without appearing racist?

Its a valid issue - but it appears that even if you ask about the relationship...you get labeled a racist or some type of insurrectionist.

What is valid about it? Obama has repeatedly given the details of his relation to Ayers. Just because the GOP don't like the explanation doesn't mean there is more to the story. Do they have any evidence of anything? Not that I've heard, just accusations of "paling around w/ terrorists".

Jughead · October 17th, 2008, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by AZZenny

Ayers has nothing to do with racism, so that's irrelevant.

I wouldn't approach it either, partly because there's nothing there, despite all the huffing and puffing. (Unless you also want to call for the Illinois Board of Regents to fire the presidents of two Universities.) The guy was selected by a friend of Ronald Reagan, so get over it.

The other reason to stay away from it is because the candidate who stops trying to smear the other guy and purely talks issues will have the greater appeal right now, and the McCain people are clueless to think nasty approaches will win them new or undecided voters.

All it does is inflame their already mindless devotees, and disturb the more sensible and moderate McCain supporters.

Democrats have called the approach by McCain/Palin racist - so its fairly relevant.

The issue McCain/Palin tried to raise focused on his past associations, values and core beliefs.

I'm sure you remember (probably gave you a chuckle) that it was Obama who claimed (2 years go?) that having "Hussein" as a middle name would be asset in dealing with Muslims abroad...perhaps to other Americans that is less "worldly" than you - they find it disturbing.

Ayers is part of a pattern of who Obama has had past associations ...(ACORN and his ex pastor Jeremiah Wright)...Ayers even gave Obama his first job - what did he learn?

So when Americans are presented with an item that Obama was on the same board with Ayers in giving money to education (or "extriemist" ed.) - are they supposed to follow lock step with the rest of the democrats and duck the issue?

Perhaps after he's president we'll learn more ...but right now there is a gray area in his ideology and identity that even the obama followers refuse to look into.

cheesebeef · October 17th, 2008, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Jughead

Its a valid issue - but it appears that even if you ask about the relationship...you get labeled a racist or some type of insurrectionist.

uh, jug, saying someone "pals around with terrorists" isn't ASKING anything, it's a statement of fact. I've got no problem with them asking the question as I think it's a valid question. Answering the question YOURSELF (which is what Palin's been doing) and LYING while doing so is the problem.

Jughead · October 17th, 2008, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by cheesebeef

uh, jug, saying someone "pals around with terrorists" isn't ASKING anything, it's a statement of fact. I've got no problem with them asking the question as I think it's a valid question. Answering the question YOURSELF (which is what Palin's been doing) and LYING while doing so is the problem.

Is it racist?

cheesebeef · October 17th, 2008, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Jughead

Is it racist?

by itself? No. But you combined those unfounded comments along with people opening up campaign speeches by throwing out Hussein and having seen any host of RNC letters with Barack and terrorist in the same sentence/pamphlet, then, yeah, it's part of painting a picture a pretty racist picture IMO.

None of these comments happen in a vacuum Jug. If this was the only thing said or done by the campaign or surrogates of the campaign, then no, I don't think it would be racist. But when you look at a lot of behavior from their campaign, then, yeah, it's part and parcel.

KloD · October 17th, 2008, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Jughead

Is it racist?

You're off base. The racist comments and the Ayers "issue" are two seperate things. There have been plenty of racist comments made, they are on film on youtube for you to watch. They are a seperate issue than the comments about paling with terrorists. Which I'd like Palin to explain why she uses the word plural. Who else is she referring too?

Jughead · October 17th, 2008, 03:45 PM

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pro-McCain march in New York's liberal Upper West Side during a street fair in September. The McCain supporters were greeted with middle-finger salutes — sometimes two at a time — and told to "go home" and that they had "no brain." One heckler even likened the marchers to Nazi Germany.

http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/6275.html

Note - I can't find a video without the written commentary.

Jughead · October 17th, 2008, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by cheesebeef

by itself? No. But you combined those unfounded comments along with people opening up campaign speeches by throwing out Hussein and having seen any host of RNC letters with Barack and terrorist in the same sentence/pamphlet, then, yeah, it's part of painting a picture a pretty racist picture IMO....

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Originally Posted by KloD

You're off base. The racist comments and the Ayers "issue" are two seperate things. There have been plenty of racist comments made, they are on film on youtube for you to watch.

I'll let you two sort it out.

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Black Congressmen Declare Racism In Palin’s Rhetoric | The New ...

Oct 7, 2008 ... “Racism is alive and well in this country, and McCain and Palin are .... The only racist here is Reverend Wright and possible Obama for ...

KloD · October 17th, 2008, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Jughead

I'll let you two sort it out.

You're avoiding. You claimed that people are saying they are racist because of the Ayers thing. I'm telling you that your off base. There has been plenty of racist comments made by McCain supporters w/out the Ayers/terrorist issue. That doesn't mean that there isn't some aspect to some of these beliefs such as he's supposedly a Muslim terrorist himself that aren't racist. It only means that there is plenty w/out that even weighing in.

Jughead · October 17th, 2008, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by KloD

You're avoiding. You claimed that people are saying they are racist because of the Ayers thing. I'm telling you that your off base. There has been plenty of racist comments made by McCain supporters w/out the Ayers/terrorist issue. That doesn't mean that there isn't some aspect to some of these beliefs such as he's supposedly a Muslim terrorist himself that aren't racist. It only means that there is plenty w/out that even weighing in.

Uhm...I guess you missed the article I posted about the Democrats calling McCains "Ayers" attack as racist. So its really not some fantasy created out of nothing.

And you just supported my position that there are "stupid" people..."hateful" people out there not being encouraged by the McCain camp to assassinate Obama.

There is even hate attacks in freakin Canada:

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Politics in Canada turn ugly - and dangerous
By Ian Austen

Saturday, October 11, 2008
TORONTO: The seemingly benign decision to stick a Liberal Party lawn sign in her front yard has brought an unnerving new ritual to Marla Waltman Daschko's daily routine. Every morning, she walks around her Volkswagen Passat station wagon and then peers underneath its chassis searching for signs of sabotage.
She is not alone, at least in parts of Toronto, when it comes to kneeling down and examining regions of cars that usually only mechanics see. Last weekend, Toronto residents woke to find the brake lines on their cars severed, their telephone and cable television lines cut, and political graffiti scratched into automobile paint and scrawled on their homes. The sole link between the victims: a lawn sign promoting a Liberal candidate in the current federal election.

The attacks came in two leafy, upper-middle-class residential neighborhoods, including Waltman Daschko's, where raccoons raiding garbage pails are normally a bigger concern than crime. While the sabotage led to only near-misses rather than any deaths or injuries, episodes have provoked a mixture of bafflement, anger and defiance. They have also brought an unwelcome tinge of nastiness to an election campaign that has been short on drama.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/10/...ca/toronto.php

Jughead · October 17th, 2008, 06:48 PM

Yup...There are plenty of asshats on both sides of the political line.

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Obama Supporter Assaults Female McCain Volunteer in New York

While the Democrat-leaning media continues to scare undecided voters with bedtime stories about some mythical angry McCain supporter whom nobody has seen, here is a real district attorney’s complaint documenting an unprovoked assault by an enraged Democrat against a McCain volunteer in midtown Manhattan: “Defendant grabbed the sign [informant] was holding, broke the wood stick that was attached to it, and then struck informant in informant’s face thereby causing informant to sustain redness, swelling, and bruising to informant’s face and further causing informant to sustain substantial pain.”

The names have been redacted out of respect for people’s privacy

The overly formal document doesn’t mention this important detail: the victim was a small, quiet, middle-aged woman wearing glasses, and the attacker was a loud, angry man who went into orbit at the mere sight of McCain campaign signs.

On a Monday afternoon, September 15, 2008, three McCain volunteers were holding campaign signs and distributing leaflets on a busy corner of 51st Street and Lexington Avenue. As they were peacefully talking to each other, they were approached by a man who, in the words of the victim, provided the impression of “a rather benign, doughy-looking guy — not a person I would have expected to assault me.”

The picture she took of her fellow volunteers right before the attack

He rushed towards them, grabbed a McCain sign off a volunteer’s hands, and tore it apart. That didn’t seem enough.

This is how the victim describes it:

I said, “What are you doing? You can’t do that!” And he was red in the face screaming, “You people are ridiculous!” And I said, “Yeah, whatever, but you can’t do that.”

So I reached for the sign that he ripped up, and he grabbed another sign, broke it, and ripped it to shreds. And when I said, “You can’t do that,” he took the stick from the sign and started beating me on the head with it. He broke the skin on my head, he scratched my wrist, and almost broke my glasses, and then he left.

I followed him down the stairs to the subway until I could get the police and I said, “You’re not going to get away with it.” And as soon as he saw the police he immediately went calm. He still had the stick in his hand, and you could see the injury on my face, and he admitted it. He was arrested. He actually said, “I don’t know why I did this. It’s just those signs, and this election, it has me so upset.”

Some people are losing control, and it’s not the people on the right. Never have I seen that behavior with any of the people on my side of the fence. … It’s just not our way. Look at us, most of us have never been protesters. … Do I feel that the left is aggressive and potentially violent? Yes, because we’ve all seen it. I certainly have … firsthand!

A more detailed account of this story can be found on this blog, as well as in an interview she gave to a reporter from France 24 TV station.

The attacker: shielding his face from the camera while talking to the police

What came over him? Probably a hangover after that MSNBC election coverage. He might as well have continued living a benign life if the one-sided media election coverage and the Democratic Party’s scorched-earth propaganda strategy hadn’t turned this New Yorker into an enraged, quixotic attack machine slaying Republican “dragons” in the middle of a liberal city.
I suspect that if the roles were reversed and some angry Republican man had launched an unprovoked attack on a frail, bespectacled, Obama-supporting female the media would have had a field day, never letting this story off the front pages up until the election.
Will the media run with a story of an Obama supporter who went berserk at the sight of McCain signs and repeatedly struck a woman volunteer on the head with a stick?