McCain not always chummy with the (Arizona) press - Page 3

da_suns_fan · March 11th, 2008, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by dreamcastrocks

So now you want to condemn those who do not want illegals stealing water? I understand that water is a necessity of life, but I don't feel that they should have any rights to that water either. If they want to pay for that water, fine by me.

I know I have a harsher view than some of you on illegal immigration. I'm ok with that.

Brian in Mesa · March 11th, 2008, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by da_suns_fan

This anti-hispanic prejudice (btw - I am NOT hispanic) is exactly the type of thinking done in Germany in the 30s.

I'm against illegal immigration and I'm sick that we do not enforce the immigration laws already in place.

I'm against ALL illegal immigration - whether the person is coming from Mexico, Canada, Libya, Greenland, etc. It's not just a US/Mexico issue.

dreamcastrocks · March 11th, 2008, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by RedStorm

Well your post said that you did not like his credentials. Probably just a typo... no harm.

What good is foreign policy experience if it differs from yours....

Hmmm.....

Maybe because you might be wrong because you have no foreign policy experience. (i am making that assumption...and, going to Rocky Point does not qualify...

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Experience matters because we learn from our experience. Would you hire someone without experience to build you a home??

The question is, will the next President we elect have the experience necessary to successfully govern. By that I mean to work with people from both parties on divisive issues. (McCain has the bruises to prove this one). Will he keep us safe. Will his experience help him as CIC. Is he wise enough to get the right people involved to solve our biggest economic issues.

Experience counts.

Semi-typo. I mentioned things that I liked and disliked about him..

Experience counts, but it is not the end all, be all. Experience is only good, if you are willing to learn from your previous mistakes. I feel that McCain has not learned from Iraq.

da_suns_fan · March 11th, 2008, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Brian in Mesa

I'm against illegal immigration and I'm sick that we do not enforce the immigration laws already in place.

I'm against ALL illegal immigration - whether the person is coming from Mexico, Canada, Libya, Greenland, etc. It's not just a US/Mexico issue.

Give me a break. It is, 100% a US/Mexico issue. It has nothing to do with terrorism.

I don't know how many times I've heard "Im sick of 'For English, press 1'" from the anti-illegal crowd.

The far right has preached a message of hate and a lot of people have bought into it. McCain has not and now they hate him for it.

I don't care about illegal immigration, campaign finance reform or "Club Gitmo". Our country is in a serious budgetary and military cross-roads. This is why I want John McCain to handle things for the next four years.

Linderbee · March 11th, 2008, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by dreamcastrocks

So now you want to condemn those who do not want illegals stealing water? I understand that water is a necessity of life, but I don't feel that they should have any rights to that water either. If they want to pay for that water, fine by me.

I know I have a harsher view than some of you on illegal immigration. I'm ok with that.

??? They're not stealing water when the water is put there for their consumption. If someone hands me a bottle of water, am I stealing it because it was paid for by someone else?

da_suns_fan · March 11th, 2008, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Linderbee

??? They're not stealing water when the water is put there for their consumption. If someone hands me a bottle of water, am I stealing it because it was paid for by someone else?

I THINK he was making a joke. I certainly hope so, anyway.

Linderbee · March 11th, 2008, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by da_suns_fan

I THINK he was making a joke. I certainly hope so, anyway.

I don't think so.

dreamcastrocks · March 11th, 2008, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Linderbee

??? They're not stealing water when the water is put there for their consumption. If someone hands me a bottle of water, am I stealing it because it was paid for by someone else?

If it is put there for the illegals, that makes it different. When I saw the term "water barrels," I assumed that we were talking about water towers.

If others want to GIVE illegals care, sobeit. Don't expect me to want to, or to have to pay for it. I don't.

D-Dogg · March 11th, 2008, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by da_suns_fan

My dad is a legal immigrant from Chile and my step-mother-in-law is an illegal immigrant from Mexico.

You know what they have in common? They're people.

You know what they don't have in common? One broke the law to be here and the other did it legally.

Linderbee · March 11th, 2008, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by dreamcastrocks

If it is put there for the illegals, that makes it different. When I saw the term "water barrels," I assumed that we were talking about water towers.

If others want to GIVE illegals care, sobeit. Don't expect me to want to, or to have to pay for it. I don't.

Gotcha. They (I believe) were referring to the water barrels that have been put out in the desert so that illegals coming across don't die of dehydration. Earlier you stated you wished them no harm...before your clarification (and even a little bit after) it seemed differently.

IMO, if someone has to steal water to prevent death, by all means, steal the water. It's just...water.

Pariah · March 11th, 2008, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Linderbee

It's just...water.

This statement is going to seem very quaint in 20 years.

RedStorm · March 11th, 2008, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by dreamcastrocks

Semi-typo. I mentioned things that I liked and disliked about him..

Experience counts, but it is not the end all, be all. Experience is only good, if you are willing to learn from your previous mistakes. I feel that McCain has not learned from Iraq.

What has he not learned? That we needed more troops to quell the violence? And, supported such action when everyone else was saying we lost the war and we should pull out. He put his career on the line.

If there is anyone who has the experience to lessen our role in Iraq without compromising our security or the security of the region it is McCain. He is a military man and has been involved with the military his entire career.

What you should appreciate is that he stood up for his position at personal cost. That is leadership. And, I think, he will do the same on other issues that are divisive and polarizing. There are many issues like that that we need to address.

dreamcastrocks · March 11th, 2008, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by RedStorm

What has he not learned? That we needed more troops to quell the violence? And, supported such action when everyone else was saying we lost the war and we should pull out. He put his career on the line.

If there is anyone who has the experience to lessen our role in Iraq without compromising our security or the security of the region it is McCain. He is a military man and has been involved with the military his entire career.

What you should appreciate is that he stood up for his position at personal cost. That is leadership. And, I think, he will do the same on other issues that are divisive and polarizing. There are many issues like that that we need to address.

That we went to war on incorrect intelligence. That we should have gone in the first place.

da_suns_fan · March 11th, 2008, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Linderbee

I don't think so.

Oh wow...you were right.

DreamCast, I don't know WHAT to say.

Im just gonna buy that you didn't know what the barrels are for.

Yes. They are for the illegals crossing (many of whom die along the way). These groups were making maps for the illegals crossing. But the minute men got a hold of the maps and camped out at these locations.

The host said if he saw one of these barrels he would dump it out. This made me sick. Their crime is so terrible you believe they should die for it?

And people laughed that I compare it to the anti-jew rhetoric of Nazi Germany.

da_suns_fan · March 11th, 2008, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by RedStorm

What has he not learned? That we needed more troops to quell the violence? And, supported such action when everyone else was saying we lost the war and we should pull out. He put his career on the line.

If there is anyone who has the experience to lessen our role in Iraq without compromising our security or the security of the region it is McCain. He is a military man and has been involved with the military his entire career.

What you should appreciate is that he stood up for his position at personal cost. That is leadership. And, I think, he will do the same on other issues that are divisive and polarizing. There are many issues like that that we need to address.

SOLID!