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Now that Im back from my month long banishment, I thought I would share my thoughts on how down I am on McCain for picking Palin as a VP.
First of all, this wasn't McCain "being the Maverick". McCain famously likes to surround himself with people he has known and trusted for years (like Lieberman). I don't believe for one second that McCain looked at the field and made a choice that he thought was best for the United States.
McCain did what he was told to do by a very foolish campaign staff. This was a political stunt that he agreed to. And I can't believe that he doesn't have the integrity to choose a VP who could actually be president should something happen to him. What happened to the McCain we were proud of? Has he sold his soul to get elected president?
Im seriously considering voting for Obama. I am not an Obama fan and I think his sources for his sound "judgement" are a joke. Millions of people were against the Iraq war back in 03, but that doesn't mean they could be president.
That being said, at least he went through the election process and put himself through the scrutiny of getting the Democractic nomination. He had to prove that he was capable of performing the presidential duties and millions upon millions of Americans decided that he could do the job.
McCain got to select whoever he wanted as Veep, and he chose someone who probably isn't qualified to run a university because his staff honestly thought they could get some of those Hillary supporters by choosing a woman. Im sure she's a nice lady, but I believe that youve got to EARN it.
How can I honestly say that I feel Obama isn't qualified and then vote or McCain when I know how old McCain is and know who is Veep is?
Im a conservative. I like to play it safe. Which pick is more dangerous?
Right now, Im thinking the the guy with history of cancer being backed up by the "hockey mom".
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DSF, I know where you're coming from, I wrestled with many of the same questions, just long before you posted them (so, I can't address the Palin issue in that regards). To address:
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Originally Posted by da_suns_fan
Now that Im back from my month long banishment, I thought I would share my thoughts on how down I am on McCain for picking Palin as a VP.
First of all, this wasn't McCain "being the Maverick". McCain famously likes to surround himself with people he has known and trusted for years (like Lieberman). I don't believe for one second that McCain looked at the field and made a choice that he thought was best for the United States.
In the primaries, I supported McCain and Obama to be nominated. I felt that either would serve the country well, and both were close to the center (at least compared with those they ran against). However, over time, I felt that McCain wasn't the candidate that I supported in 2000, but rather, had turned into something different. He was more concerned with being elected President, and the only way to do that was to trade his maverick status for that of party loyalist.
That's when I started identifying myself with the Obama camp.
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Originally Posted by da_suns_fan
McCain did what he was told to do by a very foolish campaign staff. This was a political stunt that he agreed to. And I can't believe that he doesn't have the integrity to choose a VP who could actually be president should something happen to him. What happened to the McCain we were proud of? Has he sold his soul to get elected president?
No - McCain has come to the political reality that he needs his base to go out for him and vote on election day. Palin's nomination was a two pronged play, IMO, to 1) Shore up the base with a solid conservative pick; and 2) Attempt to siphon off some of the voters from Clinton's block by nominating a woman.
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Originally Posted by da_suns_fan
Im seriously considering voting for Obama. I am not an Obama fan and I think his sources for his sound "judgement" are a joke. Millions of people were against the Iraq war back in 03, but that doesn't mean they could be president.
That being said, at least he went through the election process and put himself through the scrutiny of getting the Democractic nomination. He had to prove that he was capable of performing the presidential duties and millions upon millions of Americans decided that he could do the job.
McCain got to select whoever he wanted as Veep, and he chose someone who probably isn't qualified to run a university because his staff honestly thought they could get some of those Hillary supporters by choosing a woman. Im sure she's a nice lady, but I believe that youve got to EARN it.
How can I honestly say that I feel Obama isn't qualified and then vote or McCain when I know how old McCain is and know who is Veep is?
Im a conservative. I like to play it safe. Which pick is more dangerous?
Right now, Im thinking the the guy with history of cancer being backed up by the "hockey mom".
In reality, I think that picking either candidate will ensure that the republic will survive. It's not like we're being forced to pick between Lenin on the left and Hitler on the right. Both will do their best to try to create that more perfect union, both have good ideas, and both have crappy ideas.
My one major concern here is that McCain has to have become so integrated with the right to be a viable candidate, that he will have to answer to them if he is elected. Truly, that is my one worry, and if he addressed that, he probably would move me back into the undecided column.
dsf, take a little time to get to know Palin. You might be surprised.
I feel like Benedict Arnold.
I want to believe in this pick. I really do.
But she's ran a state of 900k for two years. Can we chance that she's capable of running the most powerful nation in the country? The leader of the free world?
How could McCain be so irresponsible. THATS the word that comes to mind. Irresponsible. Doesn't he owe it to the voters to select someone who has proven that he or she knows what they are doing?
If he had picked Condi Rice, I would be all for it. I think they were afraid that that would just re-inforce the stupid Bush=McCain argument that no one is really buying. Condi Rice is a freaking genius. I would have loved to see her Debate Biden (who is probably the only guy to be on the wrong side of every single foreign policy issue for the last twenty years).
I haven't made up my mind yet, but Palin needs to seriously blow me away in the next two months.
I'll give her an honest chance before making a decision.
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You have to look at his pick in one way, and one way only: Will he have picked someone with Palin's exact background and credentials, if Palin were a man? To an even shallower note, if Palin were unattractive? The reason I ask that, is because there are so many more experienced and credentialled female GOP'ers he could have picked over Gov. Palin.
My knee-jerk reaction to the pick was that it was good. I liked her background, and I like that she's not a Washington insider. But the more I thought about it, the more I realize that whoever McCain picks will have to be someone as close to being Presidential as any Veep ever has been in the history of the position. She just ain't nearly that. Not even close. Karl Rove even explained why, in his railing against Tom Kaine.
He really wanted Ridge or Lieberman, but there was a backlash and his campaign manager pushed Palin. McCain offered her the job during his first interview of her.
I am very puzzled on why they essentially gave up the experience argument with this pick. Check out the CNN interview at this link. http://www.blueoregon.com/2008/09/tucker-bounds-f.html
This same type of interview is probably being replicated all over the US during what is supposed to be a positive convention week for the GOP. I just don't understand why they would do this.
He really wanted Ridge or Lieberman, but there was a backlash and his campaign manager pushed Palin. McCain offered her the job during his first interview of her.
I am very puzzled on why they essentially gave up the experience argument with this pick. Check out the CNN interview at this link. http://www.blueoregon.com/2008/09/tucker-bounds-f.html
This same type of interview is probably being replicated all over the US during what is supposed to be a positive convention week for the GOP. I just don't understand why they would do this.
Free publicity.
None of the stuff Bill Clinton had thrown at him kept him from being elected.
The Republicans were dead in the water anyway. So pick someone very controversial that will generate hours of TV and internet time and reams of pages in the print media.
People will forget all these things by November but they will remember Palin's name now.
Or maybe John just had a senior moment.
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None of the stuff Bill Clinton had thrown at him kept him from being elected.
The Republicans were dead in the water anyway. So pick someone very controversial that will generate hours of TV and internet time and reams of pages in the print media.
People will forget all these things by November but they will remember Palin's name now.
Or maybe John just had a senior moment.
Well a lot here seem to be "perplexed" as to why it has been so close and McCain had been tightening the race since Obama went Berlin on us.
The issue I think here is that the media seem offended with this pick. It's a situation where the liberal bias card will be played over and over again here. Palin is due for a 2 mos compression of Obama's last 18 mos. Youtube videos coming out (have you seen her as a local TV sportscaster in 1988?) and people she's known in her past contradicting her life story she and the GOP created.
I think there is easy access for the media to delve into her past considering the sparse population of AK, esp her home town and the fact that Alaskans tend to stay close to home. We'll see how the ride plays out, but if McCain's campaign was "dead in the water anyway" how does ANY negative controversies help him?
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