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Just saw a poll on Hardball claiming 33% of those polled believe Obama is a Muslim.
My god, that is quite a sad statment as far as being informed is concerned...
I wonder how many of them believe this on their own or because another clouded their judgement (fake email, wingnuts, etc...)
Is that a bad thing? Isn't it acceptable to be a Muslim? That falls under the " my religion is better than your religion " heading. I find it ridiculous that only certain " religions " are acceptable. So far there have been no Jews, 1 Catholic, and no eastern orthodox or Muslim, Islamic or Buddhists as President of the U S. Only Christians. How freaking biased is that? So maybe it isn't just the Muslim haters, but the whole damned bias influenced America. Religion really needs to go away from politics, but it never will.
The whole religion world comes off as biased, hateful and self indulgent, yet somehow it is all influencing and ultra important to most people.
The irony of the whole Obama is a Muslim quandary is that he painfully emphasizes his " christianity ". We need an atheist candidate desperately , but that event would most likely feed the " better " religion spat rather than temper it.
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Is that a bad thing? Isn't it acceptable to be a Muslim? That falls under the " my religion is better than your religion " heading.
Wally, you're obsession with Christian culture skews your worldview. It's more likely in this instance it falls under the "the Muslim religion scares the hell out of me" heading. Equally irrational but less parochial -- and not at all exclusive to people of any faith in these times.
It is not unreasonable to assume that he would have some sort of association, I personally don't see it but I could see how many that are unread or just listen to clips and snippets could assume such a thing, eventhough as Wally states, "not that there is anything wrong with that". Having a Muslim Father, having attended a Muslim school and having a name that is stereotypically Muslim would leave those not in the know to assume he is. If it looks like a duck... even when it is a goose.
I would say that probably greater than 90% of those with Muslim names would probably, indeed be, Muslim. He is the exception, not the rule.
It is not unreasonable to assume that he would have some sort of association, I personally don't see it but I could see how many that are unread or just listen to clips and snippets could assume such a thing, eventhough as Wally states, "not that there is anything wrong with that". Having a Muslim Father, having attended a Muslim school and having a name that is stereotypically Muslim would leave those not in the know to assume he is. If it looks like a duck... even when it is a goose.
I would say that probably greater than 90% of those with Muslim names would probably, indeed be, Muslim. He is the exception, not the rule.
At this point in the campaign, if anyone still thinks he is a Muslim, they are willfully ignorant (or just untrusting of all the evidence to the contrary) if they still think he is a Muslim.
It is not unreasonable to assume that he would have some sort of association, I personally don't see it but I could see how many that are unread or just listen to clips and snippets could assume such a thing, eventhough as Wally states, "not that there is anything wrong with that". Having a Muslim Father, having attended a Muslim school and having a name that is stereotypically Muslim would leave those not in the know to assume he is. If it looks like a duck... even when it is a goose.
I would say that probably greater than 90% of those with Muslim names would probably, indeed be, Muslim. He is the exception, not the rule.
It wouldn't be unreasonable if he were a neighbor, your childs teacher, ect. BUT, a freakin' candidate for President? Come on.. you'd have to have your head buried in the sand or listen to conservative talking heads (which is the same thing).
At this point in the campaign, if anyone still thinks he is a Muslim, they are willfully ignorant (or just untrusting of all the evidence to the contrary) if they still think he is a Muslim.
For you and others who are fairly active in reading and interest in politics I totally agree... However I have 8 brother and sister in laws that are all going to vote, and none of them have read one word or watched any television coverage about anything in relation to the primaries... out of those 8, 3 of them think he is a Muslim, and in thier minds they have seen no evidence to the contrary (primarily because they have not looked).
For you and others who are fairly active in reading and interest in politics I totally agree... However I have 8 brother and sister in laws that are all going to vote, and none of them have read one word or watched any television coverage about anything in relation to the primaries... out of those 8, 3 of them think he is a Muslim, and in thier minds they have seen no evidence to the contrary (primarily because they have not looked).
Actually, that is okay with me. Would they have voted for him anyway?
No... it is odd though how many people do go out and vote without having an inkling of what and who they are voting for. This is how politicians get people to vote and impose new and exciting taxes on themselves.
It's more likely in this instance it falls under the "the Muslim religion scares the hell out of me" heading. Equally irrational but less parochial
I will argue that under current world circumstances, it is not 'irrational' at all. Overgeneralized, perhaps, but in fact many, many well-informed people around the world are scared to hell by the current main face of Islam, with good reason. Imagine if fully 90% of the press Christianity got for 5-6 years was only Hagee, Dobson, Parseley, etc. Or if the face of LDS was only Warren Jepps and that ilk. etc.
It is far harder to understand people still thinking -- after Jeremiah Wright and all -- that Obama is a Muslim. Or a closet Muslim -- now that's irrational.
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At this point in the campaign, if anyone still thinks he is a Muslim, they are willfully ignorant (or just untrusting of all the evidence to the contrary) if they still think he is a Muslim.
Wally, you're obsession with Christian culture skews your worldview. It's more likely in this instance it falls under the "the Muslim religion scares the hell out of me" heading. Equally irrational but less parochial -- and not at all exclusive to people of any faith in these times.
What the heck does that mean? Obsession with christian culture? If anything I have a low view of any and all religion.
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The whole religion world comes off as biased, hateful and self indulgent, yet somehow it is all influencing and ultra important to most people.
That is the qualifier, I used. See the word " whole ' as in entire, non specific, all encompassing, etc. So where does the Christian bias factor come into play? If you are a christian and offended, then maybe the obsession is yours.
By rejecting Muslim faith and embracing Christian , he is a willing participant in the religion in politics game. They all do it.
Maybe you might read this again. Is it not true?
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I find it ridiculous that only certain " religions " are acceptable. So far there have been no Jews, 1 Catholic, and no eastern orthodox or Muslim, Islamic or Buddhists as President of the U S. Only Christians. How freaking biased is that? So maybe it isn't just the Muslim haters, but the whole damned bias influenced America. Religion really needs to go away from politics, but it never will.
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Franklin D. Roosevelt
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." --Voltaire
Or if the face of LDS was only Warren Jepps and that ilk. etc.
The LDS needs to step up and do something drastic. It's really disturbing that these people justify child abuse and misogyny as "culture" created behind a shield of religion. Those "little house on the prarie" outfits are nothing more than their version of a burka.
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