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I cannot express the level of happiness I feel....
BIDEN!!!!!
Obama-Biden '08!!!!!
First of all, Biden is an absolute LION! He is one dude you do not want to step on. The dude has all the cred you could ask for and he was one of my top choices for the President after Obama.
Now, here's how I have long ranked my VP choices (since everyone knows I've been on Obama's bandwagon since at least Novemeber '06):
1) I have long though that Gore would be my #1 choice for VP. However, in all reality, he isprobably my #3 only because he is such a lightning rod and that serves ultimately as a detriment. I feel that I can see through the sh*t, so in terms of qualifications and legitimacy, Gore easily is #1, but whe I consider other external factors, he drops.
2) Gen. Wesley Clark. The guy is absolutely impeccable. He is (and has been) on my dream roster with respect to a cabinet position. Clark as SOD, Richardson as SOS, Gore as DOE, etc.... Wesley Clark is another gue who easily could have legitimately served as President.
3) My man, Joe Biden. Again, this guy is an absolute lion and he brings brawn to a fight that has been waged with finesse for too long. This guy will cut you up with some seriously ferocious logic and his backbone is stiffer than most everyone in DC. He's a straight shoot-from-the-hip kind of guy (his only detectable detriment as well). He is a man of the people and a champion of core American issues. Get ready for some serious fireworks and some occasional comic relief.
So, my rankings (in reality) are such:
1a and 1b) Clark or Biden
2) Gore
So, in summary, I am beyond thrilled with this dream team of a ticket.
Gobama!!!!
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If Obama and his massive ego would have picked Hillary he would have won.
Picking Biden.... was a mistake.
I think Obama may think a little too highly of himself. He could have used Hillary.
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Biden, on a post-debate appearance on MSNBC, October 30, 2007: “The only guy on the other side who’s qualified is John McCain.”
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Biden appearing on The Daily Show, August 2, 2005: “John McCain is a personal friend, a great friend, and I would be honored to run with or against John McCain, because I think the country would be better off, be well off no matter who...”
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On Meet the Press, November 27, 2005: “I’ve been calling for more troops for over two years, along with John McCain and others subsequent to my saying that.”
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Assessing Obama’s Iraq plan on September 13, 2007: “My impression is [Obama] thinks that if we leave, somehow the Iraqis are going to have an epiphany” of peaceful coexistence among warring sects. “I’ve seen zero evidence of that.”
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Biden in an interview with the Huffington Post, he assessed Obama and Hillary Clinton: “The more people learn about them (Obama and Hillary) and how they handle the pressure, the more their support will evaporate.”
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Biden on Meet the Press in 2007, on Hussein’s WMDs: “Well, the point is, it turned out they didn’t, but everyone in the world thought he had them. The weapons inspectors said he had them. He catalogued — they catalogued them. This was not some, some Cheney, you know, pipe dream. This was, in fact, catalogued.”
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Biden to the Brookings Institution in 2005: “We can call it quits and withdraw from Iraq. I think that would be a gigantic mistake. Or we can set a deadline for pulling out, which I fear will only encourage our enemies to wait us out — equally a mistake.”
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Biden in October of 2002: “We must be clear with the American people that we are committing to Iraq for the long haul; not just the day after, but the decade after.”
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On Meet the Press, January 7, 2007, assessing the proposal of a surge of troops to Iraq: “If he surges another 20, 30, or whatever number he’s going to, into Baghdad, it’ll be a tragic mistake, in my view, but, as a practical matter, there’s no way to say, ‘Mr. President, stop.’”
I understand we all like to say that McCain and Romney, and all of the other elephants are flip-floppers.... But How do you deflect away from any of these viewpoints?
Biden was a horrible mistake, and it will be a cause for concern more that the calming influence all of you kool-aid sippers seem to think it is.
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Can you picture the VP debates? You think Those quotes (especially if video is attached to them) will not be used against him? The 527's are probably mustering up a few "best of Joe"
ads right now. They will use his own words to endorse McCain and to sink the Dems. Great Guy in Biden but a complete opposite to Obama's views. This isn't good.
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Getting the Clintons out of the WHite House picture entirely is the greatest thing Obama could have done. May it cost him the election? WHo knows, but 4 more years of CLinton in the white house doesnt sound much better than 4 more of Bush.
Wipe the slate clean, get an experienced number 2, and use your charisma, intelligence, and belief in the need to fix a horribly broken machine in Washington. I'd go down with that ship any day.
McCain wins? Hell, I made it through Reagan Bush and then Bush again. Thats 20 friggin years. Over half my life. I just dont allow these politicians to affect me like most do.
But How do you deflect away from any of these viewpoints?
Why should he have to flip-flop from any of those views? What a concept, a dialogue of ideas in the White House.
...oh, and how horrible that he doesn't spew partisan hatred across the isle! Man, I wish he would just call McCain old or something so he'd fit in a little better.
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First of all, Biden is an absolute LION! He is one dude you do not want to step on. The dude has all the cred you could ask for and he was one of my top choices for the President after Obama.
Now, here's how I have long ranked my VP choices (since everyone knows I've been on Obama's bandwagon since at least Novemeber '06):
1) I have long though that Gore would be my #1 choice for VP. However, in all reality, he isprobably my #3 only because he is such a lightning rod and that serves ultimately as a detriment. I feel that I can see through the sh*t, so in terms of qualifications and legitimacy, Gore easily is #1, but whe I consider other external factors, he drops.
2) Gen. Wesley Clark. The guy is absolutely impeccable. He is (and has been) on my dream roster with respect to a cabinet position. Clark as SOD, Richardson as SOS, Gore as DOE, etc.... Wesley Clark is another gue who easily could have legitimately served as President.
3) My man, Joe Biden. Again, this guy is an absolute lion and he brings brawn to a fight that has been waged with finesse for too long. This guy will cut you up with some seriously ferocious logic and his backbone is stiffer than most everyone in DC. He's a straight shoot-from-the-hip kind of guy (his only detectable detriment as well). He is a man of the people and a champion of core American issues. Get ready for some serious fireworks and some occasional comic relief.
So, my rankings (in reality) are such:
1a and 1b) Clark or Biden
2) Gore
So, in summary, I am beyond thrilled with this dream team of a ticket.
Gobama!!!!
Sheesh. So now maybe you'll quit being so damned crabby.
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That is not even close to accurate! Sure they don't agree on everything (who does) but on the majority of issues they are on the same page.
Aside from social views, they have different views in foreign policy...specifically Iraq.
( by the way, I should have specified Iraq)
Biden voted for the war....Obama scrutinized anyone who did ( Edwards, Hillary, Biden). That was his "meat & potatoes" issue during his Primary campaign.
Obama felt we shouldn't have invaded Iraq ( I agree) but Biden said the following:
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Biden on Meet the Press in 2002, discussing Saddam Hussein: “He’s a long term threat and a short term threat to our national security… “We have no choice but to eliminate the threat. This is a guy who is an extreme danger to the world.”
Biden on Meet the Press in 2002: “Saddam must be dislodged from his weapons or dislodged from power.”
Obama wants to get out ASAP and Biden said the following:
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Biden in October of 2002: “We must be clear with the American people that we are committing to Iraq for the long haul; not just the day after, but the decade after.”
Obama opposed the surge but Biden said the following:
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On Meet the Press, November 27, 2005: “I’ve been calling for more troops for over two years, along with John McCain and others subsequent to my saying that.”
Furthermore, picking Biden not only diminishes what made Obama such a draw during the Primary campaign but he picked Biden based off his Foreign policy experience. Isn't that the reason why Obama became so popular? due to the Iraq war? How can Biden bring something to the table when that is what Obama wanted to wipe off the table...those Washington politicians that got it wrong. Those Washington insiders that made this country what it is...isn't that the change he wanted?
Aide from that, Biden is on the record diminishing Obama and praising McCain. How is that going to play out for Biden? Their is no way he can get out of this one once the Debates start...just watch.
If the media & the RNC play Biden's comments long enough....people will listen.
I think Biden is great but not on that ticket. It takes away from Obama and feeds the RNC. This is a game of perception and sound bites, those comments
will eat away at Obama.
Obama should have chosen someone that doesn't overshadow him and shares the same views.
Finally, the perception will end up looking like Bush/ Cheney par deux
* VP with experience
I hope no one considers this trolling cause that was not my intention. I am only clarifying my first post.
If Obama had chosen Wesley Clark ( agree with Linderbee) or an outsider, I wouldn't have added to this Biden thread.
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If your sword's too short, add to its length by taking one step forward.
Aside from social views, they have different views in foreign policy...specifically Iraq.
( by the way, I should have specified Iraq)
Biden voted for the war....Obama scrutinized anyone who did ( Edwards, Hillary, Biden). That was his "meat & potatoes" issue during his Primary campaign.
Obama felt we shouldn't have invaded Iraq ( I agree) but Biden said the following:
Obama wants to get out ASAP and Biden said the following:
Obama opposed the surge but Biden said the following:
Furthermore, picking Biden not only diminishes what made Obama such a draw during the Primary campaign but he picked Biden based off his Foreign policy experience. Isn't that the reason why Obama became so popular? due to the Iraq war? How can Biden bring something to the table when that is what Obama wanted to wipe off the table...those Washington politicians that got it wrong. Those Washington insiders that made this country what it is...isn't that the change he wanted?
Aide from that, Biden is on the record diminishing Obama and praising McCain. How is that going to play out for Biden? Their is no way he can get out of this one once the Debates start...just watch.
If the media & the RNC play Biden's comments long enough....people will listen.
I think Biden is great but not on that ticket. It takes away from Obama and feeds the RNC. This is a game of perception and sound bites, those comments
will eat away at Obama.
Obama should have chosen someone that doesn't overshadow him and shares the same views.
Finally, the perception will end up looking like Bush/ Cheney par deux
* VP with experience
I hope no one considers this trolling cause that was not my intention. I am only clarifying my first post.
If Obama had chosen Wesley Clark ( agree with Linderbee) or an outsider, I wouldn't have added to this Biden thread.
Great post Joe. Well thought out and to the point. There is no way anyone could consider this trolling unless they were totally biased against you. Glad to have you back.
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