Huckabee: Wives to graciously submit to their husband's sacrificial leadership.

Jughead · December 11th, 2007, 03:22 AM

Ahh Presidential Politics is such dirty work....I can't let dback jon have all the fun swiftboating the Huckster.

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Evangelicals' USA Today ad affirms SBC for family stance
By Tom Strode.
Aug 27, 1998

NASHVILLE, Tenn. (BP)--A full-page ad in USA Today Aug. 26 voiced the affirmation of 131 evangelicals to the Southern Baptist Convention that "you are right!" in holding forth the Bible's teachings on marriage.

"At a time when divorce is destroying the fabric of our society, you have taken a bold stand for the biblical principles of marriage and family life. We thank you for your courage," the ad stated. The ad also appeared in the Aug. 22 issue of WORLD, an evangelical magazine based in Asheville, N.C.

The ad was initiated by Dennis Rainey, executive director and co-founder of the FamilyLife ministry division of Campus Crusade for Christ.
Among those signing the USA Today affirmation are Franklin Graham, of Samaritan's Purse ministry, and Anne Graham Lotz, of AnGeL Ministries, two of evangelist Billy Graham's children; Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee and his wife, Janet; Prison Fellowship founder Charles Colson and his wife, Patty; Campus Crusade founders Bill and Vonette Bright; Promise Keepers founder Bill McCartney and his wife, Lyndi; Dallas-area African American pastors and popular speakers Tony Evans and T.D. Jakes, along with Evans' wife, Lois; and Joseph Stowell, president of Moody Bible Institute, and his wife, Marti.

The ad notes an expanded list of names of evangelicals supportive of the SBC family stance is posted at the Internet site, www.youareright.org.
SBC President Paige Patterson said he is "profoundly grateful" to Rainey and the other signatories, who described themselves in the USA Today ad as "pastors and lay leaders, civic and business leaders, husbands, wives, fathers and mothers representing a variety of denominations."

Said Patterson, "It does exhibit, in the light of a good deal of contrary criticism, the extent to which the evangelical community does still understand clearly what the Bible says about the family." Patterson is president of Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary in Wake Forest, N.C.

Morris H. Chapman, president of the SBC Executive Committee, said, "We are encouraged that many Americans are hearing and responding to God's Word in these matters. It is imperative to maintain the integrity of the family unit."

The SBC family stance was adopted at the June SBC annual meeting in Salt Lake City as a new article to the convention's 1963 Baptist Faith and Message confessional statement.

The SBC article describes marriage as "the uniting of one man and one woman in covenant commitment for a lifetime." It also notes, "The husband and wife are of equal worth before God, since both are created in God's image. … A husband is to love his wife as Christ loved the church. …

A wife is to submit herself graciously to the servant leadership of her husband even as the church willingly submits to the headship of Christ."

The evangelical leaders' USA Today ad states to the Southern Baptist Convention:

"You are right because you recognized that the family was God's idea, not man's, and that marriage is a covenant between one man and one woman for a lifetime.

"You are right because you called husbands to sacrificially love and lead their wives.

"You are right because you called wives to graciously submit to their husband's sacrificial leadership.

"You are right because you affirmed that the husband and wife are of equal worth before God.

"You are right because you reminded us that children are a blessing and heritage from the Lord.

"More importantly, you are right because your statement is based on biblical truth."

Rainey, who is based in Little Rock, Ark., announced during the Christian Booksellers Association annual meeting in Dallas that he was gathering the names of evangelical leaders supportive of the SBC family stance.
In a news conference July 15, Rainey said the "intense firestorm" the SBC stance faced in the national media prompted him to contact a cross-section of other evangelical leaders, both husbands and wives, to sign an affirmation: "I affirm the statement on the family issued by the 1998 Southern Baptist Convention."

Rainey told the media, "… the vast majority of Bible-believing Christians would not only agree with (the SBC) statement, but embrace it unashamedly as the timeless truth of Scripture."

"Today's families," he said, "desperately need spiritual direction, moral guidance and a clear authoritative definition."

Quoting Abraham Lincoln's words, "The strength of a nation lies in the homes of its people," Rainey said the family is "the backbone of the Christian church and of society as a whole. History shows that if any society wants to survive, it must uphold, strengthen and continue to build upon the biblical institutions of marriage and family."

Unfortunately, many Americans "have little or no concept of how to maintain a successful marriage and how to raise children to become responsible adults," Rainey said. "In addition, a growing number of educators, politicians and members of the media are attacking and redefining the family, creating a vast amount of confusion about what a family is. Many people today proclaim that 'family values' are important, but the gradual shift to moral relativism has led to a great debate about what 'family values' ought to be."

An analysis of the biblical doctrines addressed in the SBC family article is being carried in the September issue of SBC LIFE, published by the convention's Executive Committee. The author of the article is Chad Brand, assistant professor of Christian studies at North Greenville College, Tigerville, S.C. Copies of the publication may be requested by calling (615) 244-2355.
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krepitch · December 11th, 2007, 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Jughead

Ahh Presidential Politics is such dirty work....I can't let dback jon have all the fun swiftboating the Huckster.

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Flip flopping on Cuba is also in the news today.

I'm wondering in Ron Paul is just kinda hanging out waiting for these other guys to be exposed.

Dback Jon · December 11th, 2007, 06:21 AM

Swiftboating? Nay, Mr. Jughead. These are actual, verifiable positions, not made up stories financed by the Bush Campaign...

Huckabee also says he wants to take America back for Christ. Infidels - off to the concentration camps with the AIDS sinners!

krepitch · December 11th, 2007, 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Dback Jon

Huckabee also says he wants to take America back for Christ.

Romney/Huckabee is like my anti-ticket now.

DWKB · December 11th, 2007, 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Dback Jon

Huckabee also says he wants to take America back for Christ.

Huck is/was a Baptist minister speaking to Southern Baptists when saying this. It at least is consistent. Huckabee has not changed, it's just that people started paying attention.

Jughead · December 11th, 2007, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Dback Jon

Swiftboating? Nay, Mr. Jughead. These are actual, verifiable positions, not made up stories financed by the Bush Campaign...

Yer right - Huckabee is more aptly crashing and burning without any help....but at least he's doing it in an "artsy folksy" type way.

TBaslim · December 11th, 2007, 11:57 AM

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"You are right because you called husbands to sacrificially love and lead their wives.

"You are right because you called wives to graciously submit to their husband's sacrificial leadership."

Wow.

I wonder what the average American wife's response to these quotes would be?

Most the women in happy marriages that I know would have a few choice words for Mr. Huckabee's position.

Donald · December 11th, 2007, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by TBaslim

Most the women in happy marriages that I know would have a few choice words for Mr. Huckabee's position.

Really, what does she think?

Donald · December 11th, 2007, 12:31 PM

Was huck gaining in the polls or what? He's had several articles about him recently. Someone get scared?

DKCards · December 11th, 2007, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by TBaslim

Wow.

I wonder what the average American wife's response to these quotes would be?

Most the women in happy marriages that I know would have a few choice words for Mr. Huckabee's position.

Do you really have a problem with him signing this document? I am not sure but wasn’t this a Christian based publication?

As a Christian this should be his feelings on the matter. But it doesn’t stop with the wife. Many of the husbands on this board might have a few choice words for him also.

As it says in Colossians:

Wives, understand and support your husbands by submitting to them in ways that honor the Master.
Husbands, go all out in love for your wives. Don't take advantage of them.
Children, do what your parents tell you. This delights the Master no end.
Parents, don't come down too hard on your children or you'll crush their spirits

Or in Ephesians:

Wives, understand and support your husbands in ways that show your support for Christ. The husband provides leadership to his wife the way Christ does to his church, not by domineering but by cherishing. So just as the church submits to Christ as he exercises such leadership, wives should likewise submit to their husbands.
Husbands, go all out in your love for your wives, exactly as Christ did for the church—a love marked by giving, not getting. Christ's love makes the church whole. His words evoke her beauty. Everything he does and says is designed to bring the best out of her, dressing her in dazzling white silk, radiant with holiness. And that is how husbands ought to love their wives. They're really doing themselves a favor—since they're already "one" in marriage.

Jughead · December 11th, 2007, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Donald

Was huck gaining in the polls or what? He's had several articles about him recently. Someone get scared?

Actually that's a pretty accurate assessment - he's in a tie with Giuliani in the latest polls. Or if you ask a Ron Paul supporter he's in third place.

Donald · December 11th, 2007, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Jughead

Actually that's a pretty accurate assessment - he's in a tie with Giuliani in the latest polls. Or if you ask a Ron Paul supporter he's in third place.

Yeah, didn't even have to look at the polls to realize that. Funny how politics works.

When Paul is legitimately up there, they are going to beat that newsletter thing to death, and then flip out over the Rosa Parks Congressional Medal and paint him as a virulent racist. When that happens, Ron has arrived.

Mulli · December 11th, 2007, 12:46 PM

So, if you are Huckabee, do you just hope people don't find these statements?

Donald · December 11th, 2007, 12:48 PM

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So, if you are Huckabee, do you just hope people don't find these statements?

Ru9/11dy hasn't had to deal with his cousin marriage yet, really. So yeah, probably.

Linderbee · December 11th, 2007, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by TBaslim

Wow.

I wonder what the average American wife's response to these quotes would be?

Most the women in happy marriages that I know would have a few choice words for Mr. Huckabee's position.

Well, I'm no longer a wife...but I hope to be again someday, and I really don't have a problem with doing that. The man is the man of the household...I don't view it as a religious thing. It's kind of my lazy, "I don't want to be the decision maker" thing. Should he consult? Yes. As long as he doesn't take advantage (as the rest of the scripture goes), I really don't have issue. Personally. Other women don't see it that way, and that is where his comments/beliefs are a problem. Neither woman's viewpoint right or wrong, and to try to force one is an issue.