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Old May 21st, 2008, 10:40 PM   #1
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Hillary Clinton's Defeat: A Historic Triumph

by Arianna Huffington

A front page story in today's New York Times wonders whether Hillary Clinton's flagging run for the presidency is "a historic if incomplete triumph or a depressing reminder of why few [women] pursue high office in the first place."

Let me quickly weigh in with an unequivocal vote for "historic if incomplete triumph." And the only thing I find depressing is that the answer is even in doubt.

I have regularly criticized Clinton over the course of her campaign (and long before it, starting with her vote to authorize the war), but there is no question that she has forever altered the way women running for president will be viewed from here on out. In the words of the Times, Clinton has established "a new marker for what a woman can accomplish in a campaign -- raising over $170 million, frequently winning more favorable reviews on debate performances than her male rivals, rallying older women, and persuading white male voters who were never expected to support her."

She has also forever demolished the question mark hovering over the issue many (wrongly, in my opinion) have felt would be a woman candidate's biggest weakness: the ability to be seen as a plausible commander-in-chief.

It is to her great credit that very shortly into the '08 race, when you saw Clinton on television, you didn't think, "Oh, there's the woman running for president." That is no small feat for a woman trying to break into a male-dominated arena. So the next time a woman -- or two or three -- runs for president, it won't be seen as a novelty act. Because Hillary certainly wasn't.

But the greatest triumph of Clinton's campaign -- a complete triumph -- is the example she has set for the next generation. And not just for young women; her dedication, perseverance, and indefatigable drive make her a role model for young men as well.

Much has been made of the generational divide in the Clinton-Obama battle, with older women rallying to Clinton and younger women drawn to Obama. But the impact of her candidacy transcends this division. I've seen this very clearly in the reaction of my oldest daughter.

She voted for the first time in this year's California primary, casting her ballot for Obama. Yet hardly a day passes without her speaking with admiration, almost awe, about Hillary Clinton -- how she manages to get up every morning, no matter how hard things get for her, and keep following her dream.

I've written a lot about fear and fearlessness, and how fearlessness is not the absence of fear -- it's the mastery of fear. It's all about getting up one more time than we fall down. Has any public figure embodied this more powerfully and compellingly than Hillary Clinton?

Last week I was in a hotel room in Las Vegas preparing to give a speech. Checking in for a political update, I turned on CNN and saw Wolf Blitzer interviewing Hillary. But instead of a debate on who is more electable in Appalachia, or a Talmudic discussion about Michigan and Florida, there was this incredibly human moment.

Blitzer asked Clinton about what it's been like having Chelsea on the trail campaigning with her. Clinton, choking up, replied: "Well, it's one of the most incredibly gratifying experiences of my life, as a person and as a mother. I get very emotional. She is an exceptional person, and she's worked so hard, and she's done such a good job that I'm just filled with pride every time I look at her."

And just as Hillary started tearing up, I realized I was too. This has been an election where, even more than usual, the personal and the political have been constantly overlapping. And my feelings as I watched that interview were no exception.

It was clear that the 17-month campaign had taken a toll on Clinton, but at the same time has been incredibly transformative. She famously announced after winning New Hampshire that she'd found her own voice. But, in fact, she has kept finding it and refinding it -- until now, finally, she seems to be more in touch with her own message, instead of the message Mark Penn's poll numbers told her to adopt.

And in doing so, she has redefined and taken over the Clinton brand. Forget welfare reform, free-trade uber alles, and third-way DLC-economics. Since hitting her stride in Ohio, Hillary has transformed the Clinton brand into one that represents working-class Americans. Because of this, she is the Clinton who will now be most relevant to the country's future.

I see Hillary returning to the Senate with a newfound sense of purpose -- and power. With the presidency no longer in her sights -- at least for now -- she could become a commanding progressive force in the Senate.

Campaigning in Pennsylvania in early April, Clinton compared herself to Philadelphia icon Rocky Balboa. "Let me tell you something," she said. "When it comes to finishing the fight, Rocky and I have a lot in common. I never quit. I never give up."

The comparison was meant to reinforce her image as a tireless warrior -- but it was more accurate and prescient than she intended. Because Rocky actually lost his initial fight with Apollo Creed. After 15 punishing and bloody rounds, he was satisfied just to have gone the distance.

"Ain't gonna be no rematch," says Creed amidst the post-fight pandemonium. To which Rocky replies: "Don't want one."

Even though Rocky didn't win, he was ultimately seen as a triumphant figure. And that's how Hillary will be seen too. Once the disappointment fades and the cuts and bruises heal, the lasting impression will be one of glory, accomplishment, and profound impact.

Hers will have been a game-changing defeat.
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Old May 22nd, 2008, 08:25 AM   #2
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Hillary Clinton's Defeat: A Historic Triumph
by Arianna Huffington

A front page story in today's New York Times wonders whether Hillary Clinton's flagging run for the presidency is "a historic if incomplete triumph or a depressing reminder of why few [women] pursue high office in the first place."

Let me quickly weigh in with an unequivocal vote for "historic if incomplete triumph." And the only thing I find depressing is that the answer is even in doubt.

I have regularly criticized Clinton over the course of her campaign (and long before it, starting with her vote to authorize the war), but there is no question that she has forever altered the way women running for president will be viewed from here on out. In the words of the Times, Clinton has established "a new marker for what a woman can accomplish in a campaign -- raising over $170 million, frequently winning more favorable reviews on debate performances than her male rivals, rallying older women, and persuading white male voters who were never expected to support her."

She has also forever demolished the question mark hovering over the issue many (wrongly, in my opinion) have felt would be a woman candidate's biggest weakness: the ability to be seen as a plausible commander-in-chief.

It is to her great credit that very shortly into the '08 race, when you saw Clinton on television, you didn't think, "Oh, there's the woman running for president." That is no small feat for a woman trying to break into a male-dominated arena. So the next time a woman -- or two or three -- runs for president, it won't be seen as a novelty act. Because Hillary certainly wasn't.

But the greatest triumph of Clinton's campaign -- a complete triumph -- is the example she has set for the next generation. And not just for young women; her dedication, perseverance, and indefatigable drive make her a role model for young men as well.

Much has been made of the generational divide in the Clinton-Obama battle, with older women rallying to Clinton and younger women drawn to Obama. But the impact of her candidacy transcends this division. I've seen this very clearly in the reaction of my oldest daughter.

She voted for the first time in this year's California primary, casting her ballot for Obama. Yet hardly a day passes without her speaking with admiration, almost awe, about Hillary Clinton -- how she manages to get up every morning, no matter how hard things get for her, and keep following her dream.

I've written a lot about fear and fearlessness, and how fearlessness is not the absence of fear -- it's the mastery of fear. It's all about getting up one more time than we fall down. Has any public figure embodied this more powerfully and compellingly than Hillary Clinton?

Last week I was in a hotel room in Las Vegas preparing to give a speech. Checking in for a political update, I turned on CNN and saw Wolf Blitzer interviewing Hillary. But instead of a debate on who is more electable in Appalachia, or a Talmudic discussion about Michigan and Florida, there was this incredibly human moment.

Blitzer asked Clinton about what it's been like having Chelsea on the trail campaigning with her. Clinton, choking up, replied: "Well, it's one of the most incredibly gratifying experiences of my life, as a person and as a mother. I get very emotional. She is an exceptional person, and she's worked so hard, and she's done such a good job that I'm just filled with pride every time I look at her."

And just as Hillary started tearing up, I realized I was too. This has been an election where, even more than usual, the personal and the political have been constantly overlapping. And my feelings as I watched that interview were no exception.

It was clear that the 17-month campaign had taken a toll on Clinton, but at the same time has been incredibly transformative. She famously announced after winning New Hampshire that she'd found her own voice. But, in fact, she has kept finding it and refinding it -- until now, finally, she seems to be more in touch with her own message, instead of the message Mark Penn's poll numbers told her to adopt.

And in doing so, she has redefined and taken over the Clinton brand. Forget welfare reform, free-trade uber alles, and third-way DLC-economics. Since hitting her stride in Ohio, Hillary has transformed the Clinton brand into one that represents working-class Americans. Because of this, she is the Clinton who will now be most relevant to the country's future.

I see Hillary returning to the Senate with a newfound sense of purpose -- and power. With the presidency no longer in her sights -- at least for now -- she could become a commanding progressive force in the Senate.

Campaigning in Pennsylvania in early April, Clinton compared herself to Philadelphia icon Rocky Balboa. "Let me tell you something," she said. "When it comes to finishing the fight, Rocky and I have a lot in common. I never quit. I never give up."

The comparison was meant to reinforce her image as a tireless warrior -- but it was more accurate and prescient than she intended. Because Rocky actually lost his initial fight with Apollo Creed. After 15 punishing and bloody rounds, he was satisfied just to have gone the distance.

"Ain't gonna be no rematch," says Creed amidst the post-fight pandemonium. To which Rocky replies: "Don't want one."

Even though Rocky didn't win, he was ultimately seen as a triumphant figure. And that's how Hillary will be seen too. Once the disappointment fades and the cuts and bruises heal, the lasting impression will be one of glory, accomplishment, and profound impact.

Hers will have been a game-changing defeat.
The only problem, is they left out that Rocky didn't say anything mean about Apollo Creed, and was above the forces urging him to be mean (or politics as usual). Hillary has been more like Clubber Lang at times! Or at least, Bill has been that way!
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Old May 22nd, 2008, 08:54 AM   #3
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The only problem, is they left out that Rocky didn't say anything mean about Apollo Creed, and was above the forces urging him to be mean (or politics as usual). Hillary has been more like Clubber Lang at times! Or at least, Bill has been that way!
Above the forces?

1. Annie Oakley comment

2. In what may be Obama's most direct and aggressive criticism of Bill Clinton's presidency yet, the Obama campaign dropped a new mailer just before Super Tuesday that blasts "the Clintons" for wreaking massive losses on the Democratic party throughout the 1990s.
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/2/6/135152/9964

3. Obama Campaign Claims Clinton Has 'Character Gap'
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2.../6/135152/9964

4. Obama adviser Samantha Power called Hillary Clinton a "monster"
http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2008/03..._negative.html

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3. Obama Campaign Claims Clinton Has 'Character Gap'
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2.../6/135152/9964

From #3:

"She is not seen as trustworthy by the American people," said Obama campaign manager David Plouffe in a conference call with reporters this morning, citing a Gallup poll released this week indicating that only 44 percent of the American people consider Clinton "honest and trustworthy," as opposed to 67 percent for Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., and 63 percent for Obama.

Interesting.
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1. Annie Oakley comment
Oh no! He invoked the image of a strong woman wielding a gun!

What's wrong with that?

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http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/2/6/135152/9964
She can't have it both ways--she continually inferred her importance to that administration (in the positive)...remember? that's a large part of her "experience." Now that someone wants to spin the administration in a less than glowing light, she can disavow involvement?
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Oh no! He invoked the image of a strong woman wielding a gun!

What's wrong with that?
I guess you haven't watched the clip...huh?
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"Shame on her," Obama said, echoing one of Clinton's own atacks on him. "Shame on her, she knows better."


Obama said he was disappointed with her for her response and then launched into a new criticism of Clinton over her recent admission of being a hunter, and compared her sarcastically to Annie Oakley.

"She's running around talking about how this is an insult to sportsmen, how she values the Second Amendment, she's talking like she's Annie Oakley! Hillary Clinton's out there like she's on the duck blind every Sunday, she's packin' a six shooter! C'mon! She knows better. That's some politics being played by Hillary Clinton. I want to see that picture of her out there in the duck blinds."
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She can't have it both ways--she continually inferred her importance to that administration (in the positive)...remember? that's a large part of her "experience." Now that someone wants to spin the administration in a less than glowing light, she can disavow involvement?
Whether that is true or not, I put that example on how Obama can go negative as well. Obama started long before Hillary in going negative when he started to go after Bill's administration and diminishing his accomplishments and praising Reagan's...true or not? One thing is attacking your opponent but going after a successful president is a "no no", especially if they are in your own party. By the way, that was before Bill mentioned anything about Obama.


...so much for that Apollo Creed comparison.

As Obama once said: "C'mon now, you know better".
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I guess you haven't watched the clip...huh?
Here is part of the transcript:
That's pretty funny actually.

I'm not sure why it's so offensive. Maybe I'm not hip to the Annie Oakley legend, but when did being compared to Annie Oakley become such a bad thing?
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That's pretty funny actually.

I'm not sure why it's so offensive. Maybe I'm not hip to the Annie Oakley legend, but when did being compared to Annie Oakley become such a bad thing?
Annie Oakley was a trollop.

You're right RC. It's not such a bad thing.
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Annie Oakley was a trollop.

You're right RC. It's not such a bad thing.
Wow. My respecto-meter for Annie Oakley just grew threefold.
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You are getting old 40. You're thinking of your first wife Calamity Jane not Annie.
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Did someone say Histrionic Triumph?

Ever notice how Hillary's personality, even her accent, changes dependent upon which state of the Union she is campaigning in, or what type of group she is addressing?
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Whether that is true or not, I put that example on how Obama can go negative as well. Obama started long before Hillary in going negative when he started to go after Bill's administration and diminishing his accomplishments and praising Reagan's...true or not? One thing is attacking your opponent but going after a successful president is a "no no", especially if they are in your own party. By the way, that was before Bill mentioned anything about Obama.
Nothing makes a Demo squirm more than the fact that everybody but them (including a ton of their fellow Demos) loved Reagan.
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Nothing makes a Demo squirm more than the fact that everybody but them (including a ton of their fellow Demos) loved Reagan.
I don't think it's true...at least not the moderates. I was in JR high when he took office and he was solely responsible for me getting into politics...or shall I say following politics. I liked Reagan and to an extent, I still like him.
The problem I have is a Democrat diminishing our President (Bill) especially when he wants to represent our Party as POTUS. There are plenty of old school democrats that love Reagan...hence "Reagan Democrats".
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The problem I have is a Democrat diminishing our President (Bill) especially when he wants to represent our Party as POTUS.
So you don't have a problem with trashing other dems unless they are the POTUS? When Obama become the president are you going to stop trashing him like you are now?

Before you respond with a jab, please realize I have been a Bill Clinton supporter.
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