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Old March 6th, 2007, 06:00 AM   #31
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Linky no workie...unless thats part of the "evasive, unpologetic" part.
I don't know how to link or embed Fox's media player into a post. It's on the front page of www.foxnews.com in the video section under the title 'Coulter Strikes Back', or something like that....
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Old March 6th, 2007, 06:33 AM   #32
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Why does Fox continue to give her a pulpit?
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Old March 6th, 2007, 06:40 AM   #33
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Why does Fox continue to give her a pulpit?
Maybe they have a percentage in her "godless" book.
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Old March 6th, 2007, 07:09 AM   #34
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Good post, Djaughe.

Please note that Ann Coulter, at the 2006 CPAC, called Muslim-AMERICANS "ragheads".

Conservatives look foolish and hypocritical when they try to distance themselves from Coulter, since they keep inviting her to speak, knowing full well what she says.

Romney, Guilani - all GUILTY. They should have boycotted CPAC when they heard Coulter was going to speak. Or told CPAC - us or her.

As it stands now, given the close association CPAC and Coulter, than Ann speaks 100% for them.
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Old March 6th, 2007, 07:22 AM   #35
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Good post, Djaughe.

Please note that Ann Coulter, at the 2006 CPAC, called Muslim-AMERICANS "ragheads".

Conservatives look foolish and hypocritical when they try to distance themselves from Coulter, since they keep inviting her to speak, knowing full well what she says.

Romney, Guilani - all GUILTY. They should have boycotted CPAC when they heard Coulter was going to speak. Or told CPAC - us or her.


As it stands now, given the close association CPAC and Coulter, than Ann speaks 100% for them.
Below was lastweek's story that I found kinda humorus for all the bashing McCain took from the "conservative" radio pundits.
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Sen. John McCain Spurns CPAC Invite

Sen. John McCain is the only Republican presidential candidate to spurn an offer to speak at the Conservative Political Action Conference, the nation’s premier gathering of conservatives.
And McCain further miffed sponsors of the event, which begins Thursday at a Washington, D.C., hotel, by attempting to schedule a private reception for conference attendees without seeking approval of CPAC organizers.

"It was a classic McCain move, dissing us by going behind our backs,” declared William Lauderback, executive president of the American Conservative Union, a principal sponsor of the CPAC.

In addition to the other GOP presidential candidates – including Rudolph Giuliani and Mitt Romney – Vice President Dick Cheney and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich are also scheduled to address the conference.

Conservative activists speculated that McCain rejected an offer to speak at the conference because he "did not want to be seen on television ‘pandering’ to Republican ‘right-wingers’ but wanted to court those same activists at a reception at the same hotel,” the Washington Times reported.

The CPAC has been considered a key event for conservative candidates ever since the first gathering was held in 1974, with Ronald Reagan in attendance.

Organizers expect more than 5,000 people to attend this year, including many college students from across the country. Craig Shirley, a Republican activist and Reagan historian, told the Times that skipping the CPAC is a mistake for a Republican candidate. "Any GOP politician who doesn’t understand this and the importance of this conference doesn’t understand conservatism.”
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Old March 6th, 2007, 07:56 AM   #36
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now being run by hostile, youtubed, egocentric, book pimping, people-hating idiots.
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I get the rest, but what is youtubed? Isn't youtube a good thing...I rather like it.
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I get the rest, but what is youtubed? Isn't youtube a good thing...I rather like it.
Not saying its bad - just summarizing as part of the context that these coulter/macca idiots are becoming available for the public to see and watch as never before seen by the standard media outlets.
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Old March 6th, 2007, 09:18 AM   #38
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Not saying its bad - just summarizing as part of the context that these coulter/macca idiots are becoming available for the public to see and watch as never before seen by the standard media outlets.
ahhh, appearing on youtube. Like the Internet is a series of pipes hilarity. I gotcha.
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Old March 6th, 2007, 09:41 AM   #39
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Who has done more for America?

Anne Coulter

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Tim Hardaway


It's gotta be Timmay and that killer cross-over, it was a thing of beauty to watch.
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I watched Ann Coulter last night in the gayest way I could. I was on a stairmaster at a gym, slack-jawed at her proud defense of calling someone a "faggot" on the same stage as presidential candidates and as an icon of today's conservative movement. The way in which Fox News and Sean Hannity and, even more repulsively, Pat Cadell, shilled for her was a new low for Fox, I think - and for what remains of decent conservatism. "We're all friends here," Hannity chuckled at the end. Yes, they were. And no faggots were on the show to defend themselves. That's fair and balanced.

I'm not going to breathe more oxygen into this story except to say a couple of things that need saying. Coulter has an actual argument in self-defense and it's worth addressing. Her argument is that it was a joke and that since it was directed a straight man, it wasn't homophobic. It was, in her words, a "school-yard taunt," directed at a straight man, meaning a "wuss" and a "sissy". Why would gays care? She is "pro-gay," after all. Apart from backing a party that wants to strip gay couples of all legal rights by amending the federal constitution, kick them out of the military where they are putting their lives on the line, put them into "reparative therapy" to "cure" them, keep it legal to fire them in many states, and refusing to include them in hate crime laws, Coulter is very pro-gay. As evidence of how pro-gay she is, check out all the gay men and women in America now defending her.

Her defense, however, is that she was making a joke, not speaking a slur. Her logic suggests that the two are mutually exclusive. They're not. And when you unpack Coulter's joke, you see she does both. Her joke was that the world is so absurd that someone like Isaiah Washington is forced to go into rehab for calling someone a "faggot." She's absolutely right that this is absurd and funny and an example of p.c. insanity. She could have made a joke about that - a better one, to be sure - but a joke. But she didn't just do that. She added to the joke a slur: "John Edwards is a faggot." That's why people gasped and then laughed and clapped so heartily. I was in the room, so I felt the atmosphere personally. It was an ugly atmosphere, designed to make any gay man or woman in the room feel marginalized and despised. To put it simply, either conservatism is happy to be associated with that atmosphere, or it isn't. I think the response so far suggests that the conservative elites don't want to go there, but the base has already been there for a very long time. (That's why this affair is so revealing, because it is showing which elites want to pander to bigots, and which do not.)

Coulter's defense of the slur is that it was directed at an obviously straight man and so could not be a real slur. The premise of this argument is that the word faggot is only used to describe gay men and is only effective and derogatory when used against a gay man. But it isn't. In fact, in the schoolyard she cites, the primary targets of the f-word are straight boys or teens or men. The word "faggot" is used for two reasons: to identify and demonize a gay man; and to threaten a straight man with being reduced to the social pariah status of a gay man. Coulter chose the latter use of the slur, its most potent and common form. She knew why Edwards qualified. He's pretty, he has flowing locks, he's young-looking. He is exactly the kind of straight guy who is targeted as a "faggot" by his straight peers. This, Ms Coulter, is real social policing by speech. And that's what she was doing: trying to delegitimize and feminize a man by calling him a faggot. It happens every day. It's how insecure or bigoted straight men police their world to keep the homos out.

And for the slur to work, it must logically accept the premise that gay men are weak, effeminate, wusses, sissies, and the rest. A sane gay man has two responses to this, I think. The first is that there is nothing wrong with effeminacy or effeminate gay men - and certainly nothing weak about many of them. In the plague years, I saw countless nelly sissies face HIV and AIDS with as much courage and steel as any warrior on earth. You want to meet someone with balls? Find a drag queen. The courage of many gay men every day in facing down hatred and scorn and derision to live lives of dignity and integrity is not a sign of being a wuss or somehow weak. We have as much and maybe more courage than many - because we have had to acquire it to survive. And that is especially true of gay men whose effeminacy may not make them able to pass as straight - the very people Coulter seeks to demonize. The conflation of effeminacy with weakness, and of gayness with weakness, is what Coulter calculatedly asserted. This was not a joke. It was an attack.

Secondly, gay men are not all effeminate. In the last couple of weeks, we have seen a leading NBA player and a soldier come out to tell their stories. I'd like to hear Coulter tell Amaechi and Alva that they are sissies and wusses. A man in uniform who just lost a leg for his country is a sissy? The first American solider to be wounded in Iraq is a wuss? What Coulter did, in her callow, empty way, was to accuse John Edwards of not being a real man. To do so, she asserted that gay men are not real men either. The emasculation of men in minority groups is an ancient trope of the vilest bigotry. Why was it wrong, after all, for white men to call African-American men "boys"? Because it robbed them of the dignity of their masculinity. And that's what Coulter did last Friday to gays. She said - and conservatives applauded - that I and so many others are not men. We are men, Ann.

As members of other minorities have been forced to say in the past: I am not a faggot. I am a man.
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Come on Chris, are you really asking that question?
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and a bunch of other conservative hacks just as bad as her are their bread and butter. These jerks actually have an audience! I won't say what I think about their audience, but they are the same people that think Foxnews is "fair and balanced". My children are not allowed to play with these people.
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