Coulter calls John Edwards a.... - Page 2

LoyaltyisaCurse · March 4th, 2007, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by 40yearfan

Think Howard Dean.

All parties have their outspoken people. You can't control what they are going to say. You can only condemn them when they say it.

Are you actually comparing Howard Dean and Mann Coulter?

UncleChris · March 4th, 2007, 06:03 PM

Keep it up, Coultergeist.... You do nothing but help the left when you get so stone-friggin' stupid....

40yearfan · March 4th, 2007, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by LoyaltyisaCurse

Are you actually comparing Howard Dean and Mann Coulter?

Absolutely. Howard Dean is a one man wrecking machine.

40yearfan · March 4th, 2007, 08:54 PM

Food for thought:

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the Democratic National Committee is different now from last year only in that it can’t keep up in fundraising, and its chairman calls Republicans “evil,” “corrupt” and “brain-dead” “liars” who “never made an honest living in their lives” and “are not nice people.”

Republicans, Dean said this week in San Francisco, are “pretty much a monolithic party. They all behave the same. They all look the same. It’s pretty much a white Christian party.” If you belong to the GOP, he said in Washington last week, then you “are all about suppressing votes: two voting machines if you live in a black district, ten voting machines if you live in a white district.” If you are a Republican, Dr. Dean says you offer a “dark, difficult and dishonest vision…for America.”

Now tell me how that is not as bad as Coulter.

Pariah · March 5th, 2007, 07:40 AM

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Edwards' reaction to Coulter's slur inspires support

Carla Marinucci, Chronicle Political Writer
Monday, March 5, 2007

Former Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina is neither his party's front-runner nor the fresh-faced new kid on the block of Democratic presidential politics.

But the candidate -- who was the target of a high-profile conservative pundit's anti-gay slur Friday -- is viewed as something more by many of the party's young and loyal activists: a presidential hopeful with strong potential for a surprise showing in the 2008 race.

The measure of Edwards' appeal came Sunday as members of an overflow crowd sat on fences, jammed sidewalks and even filled parking lots near the Berkeley YWCA where he addressed 1,000 activists and potential voters.

"I want to say something about my party," he said. "I'm so tired of incremental, careful caution. Where is our soul? Where is our soul? We are our most powerful when we speak from here" -- he touched his heart -- "and not from a poll."

Dressed in jeans and shirtsleeves, he issued a call to action for "transformational change" in America on issues like health care, the environment, education and even what he called "the bleeding sore that is Iraq."

In a news conference afterward, Edwards talked about the scathing attack last week by author Ann Coulter, who dismissed him as a "faggot" in a speech before the Conservative Political Action Conference in Washington -- whose members laughed and applauded the slur.

Edwards said Coulter's comment was "hateful, selfish, childish behavior."

"What I've learned is that if you don't have the courage to speak out against it -- no matter who says it, and no matter who it's leveled at -- then it becomes tolerable," he added. "And it's not tolerable, any more than the language I heard leveled at African Americans when I was young."

Not only did Coulter's slur appear to have fired up many of Edwards' supporters in Berkeley, it also brought out many who haven't yet settled on a candidate. Many Democrats in the crowd said that her comments, and the approval from her conservative audience, illustrated how negative the coming presidential campaign may be.

"I'm appalled ... and the fact that she had tremendously positive response should be a very big deal," said Peggy Stein, 54, who teaches in the West Contra Costa Unified School District and said she supports Edwards because of his "honesty and integrity."

Coulter's remarks "were completely uncalled for and worthless," said Kevin Davis, 31, a Sacramento paralegal who is also a regular blogger on Edwards' 2008 presidential campaign site.

Davis said Edwards has increasing appeal -- and is increasingly dangerous to the Republicans -- because he is "an experienced, hardworking candidate with the background of the middle class."

In his 45-minute talk, delivered before a backdrop that proclaimed a new campaign theme -- "Tomorrow Begins Today" -- Edwards somberly recalled the anniversary this weekend of the seminal 1965 civil rights march from Selma, Ala., to Montgomery. Although he did not appear in Selma, as Sens. Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama did, Edwards told supporters he saw the direct effects of racism daily when he was growing up in the South. The Selma marches were "part of a much larger march in America toward fairness and equality," he said.
Edwards told the crowd that he appeared at the YWCA instead of on the UC Berkeley campus as a gesture of support for campus janitors in a labor dispute with the university. The janitors are members the powerful American Federation of State and County Municipal Employees.

A Los Angeles Times poll released this week suggests that Edwards comes in a strong second -- besting Obama -- among party insiders. The poll of 318 of the 386 members of the Democratic National Committee showed Hillary Clinton leading with 20 percent of the vote, followed by Edwards at 15 percent and Obama at 11 percent. Former vice president Al Gore, who has said he is not running for president, drew 10 percent.

Edwards reflected in his speech Sunday on the "two Americas" theme -- about the disparities between rich and poor Americans -- that he has sounded since 2004, when he was presidential candidate John Kerry's running mate.

Edwards was delivering some of his first public remarks on the Coulter slur, but Republicans and Democrats already had condemned her.

Democratic National Committee chairman Howard Dean immediately called for an apology from Coulter. And Edwards campaign manager David Bonior urged supporters to send in "Coulter Cash" -- donations that send a message to the GOP about such tactics.

Major GOP presidential candidates -- who in the past have let slide controversial Coulter comments -- immediately distanced themselves from her.

The campaign of Arizona Sen. John McCain, quoted in the New York Times, called the remarks "wildly inappropriate." And former New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani's campaign said, "There should be no place for such name-calling in political debate."

The campaign of former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, which had introduced Coulter at the event, called her remarks "offensive."

E-mail Carla Marinucci at cmarinucci@sfchronicle.com.

I have a hard time finding candidates whom I agree with on all of the important issues. But I agree that it's time for a sea-change in some things--such as health care, education and energy dependence. I have a hard time with Edwards' ideas about domestic economic policy, but think that the need for change in the areas mentioned that I'm willing to overlook that in this next election for the right candidate--and I think that candidate is Edwards.

Seems he's getting support from within the party. Hopefully that will start to translate to support from the voters. I'm still stunned that I'm the only on from ASFN throwing a vote his way.

Maybe this whole Coulter thing will shed some more light on Edwards as a candidate and open some eyes to his ideas on the issues.

AzCards21 · March 5th, 2007, 12:57 PM

“C’mon, it was a joke. I would never insult gays by suggesting that they are like John Edwards. That would be mean.”

You have to admit, that's pretty funny right there.

wallyburger · March 5th, 2007, 01:01 PM

Who has done more for America?

Anne Coulter

or

Tim Hardaway

Rivercard · March 5th, 2007, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by AzCards21

“C’mon, it was a joke. I would never insult gays by suggesting that they are like John Edwards. That would be mean.”

You have to admit, that's pretty funny right there.

It's a tired old joke that out of her lips is devoid of any irony or levity. And of course she shows no concern for others and conveniently avoids anything remotely resembling an apology.

Chris_Sanders · March 5th, 2007, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by AzCards21

“C’mon, it was a joke. I would never insult gays by suggesting that they are like John Edwards. That would be mean.”

You have to admit, that's pretty funny right there.

Those kinds of witticisms were fairly humorous when I was 14. Snappy and original!

Pariah · March 5th, 2007, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris_Sanders

Those kinds of witticisms were fairly humorous when I was 14. Snappy and original!

I actually think it's a funny joke...IF you're saying it to your buddies over a beer, not on a national stage.

UncleChris · March 5th, 2007, 04:51 PM

Our Ann Coulter Problem
Why the press can't ignore her.
By Jack Shafer
Posted Monday, March 5, 2007, at 6:09 PM ET

Ann Coulter shocked nobody last week by calling presidential candidate John Edwards a "faggot" during her appearance at the Conservative Political Action Conference.

Here's the YouTube video, as well as the quotation captured by the Associated Press:

I was going to have a few comments on the other Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards, but it turns out you have to go into rehab if you use the word "faggot," so I—so kind of an impasse, can't really talk about Edwards.

It's true that the Democratic Party leaders displayed outrage. The Edwards campaign e-mailed the Coulter news to its supporters, calling her remarks a "shameless display of bigotry." Howard Dean, Democratic National Party chairman, called her statement "hate-filled" and demanded that the Republican candidates for president repudiate it.

The three Republican front-runners did exactly as Dean instructed with such speed that they must maintain 24/7 "Ann Coulter Damage Control Departments." A spokesman for Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., called the comments "wildly inappropriate." Rudy Giuliani harmonized, saying the comments "were completely inappropriate." Mitt Romney's spokesman slammed Coulter's quip as "an offensive remark." Top conservative bloggers expressed similar indignation, which the Human Events Web site collected: "Ann Coulter doesn't speak for us," harrumphed Red State. Captain's Quarters' Ed Morrissey wrote that "such offensive language—and the cavalier attitude that lies behind it—is intolerable to us." Newsbusters' Warner Todd Huston dubbed Coulter "the H.L. Mencken of our times ... minus the intellect."

The context of Coulter's one-liner was probably too Hollywood for her audience. (As UPI explained, Coulter was probably riffing off actor Isaiah Washington's recent—and calculated—entry into rehab after he called one of his Grey's Anatomy co-stars a "faggot.") Townhall.com's Dean Barnett wrote that "uncomfortable silence" and not "boisterous laughter" followed her remark.

Coulter has been drawing on her outré political vocabulary for so long that the CPAC utterance couldn't have come as a surprise to her foes, her allies, or even the apolitical who avoid the news. The Washington Monthly cataloged her gift for extreme speech five years ago, just as she was perfecting her political phonemes. Here are a few choice Coulter cuts:

"[Clinton] masturbates in the sinks."—Rivera Live, Aug. 2, 1999

"God gave us the earth. We have dominion over the plants, the animals, the trees. God said, 'Earth is yours. Take it. Rape it. It's yours.' "—Hannity & Colmes, June 20, 2001

The "backbone of the Democratic Party" is a "typical fat, implacable welfare recipient"—syndicated column, Oct. 29, 1999

To a disabled Vietnam vet: "People like you caused us to lose that war."—MSNBC, Oct. 11, 1997

"Women like Pamela Harriman and Patricia Duff are basically Anna Nicole Smith from the waist down. Let's just call it for what it is. They're whores."—Salon.com, Nov. 16, 2000

"I think there should be a literacy test and a poll tax for people to vote."—Hannity & Colmes, Aug. 17, 1999

"My libertarian friends are probably getting a little upset now but I think that's because they never appreciate the benefits of local fascism."—MSNBC, Feb. 8, 1997

It's probably unfair to Ramsey Clark to call Coulter his right-wing analogue, but there you are. He defends the indefensible, she attacks the undefended. Neither have any shame. Both regard negative publicity as good publicity. Both color their hair.

The press marginalized Clark for his nuttism long ago, but every odious phrase turned by Coulter only makes her a bigger star. Perhaps the newspapers, TV news, the blogs, and the politicians feel obliged to censure her publicly for her transgressions because, unlike Ramsey, she makes them in acceptable or semiacceptable settings such as at a CPAC conference or on a TV show and not at Saddam Hussein's trial in Baghdad. The press and the pols are also afraid that silence in the face of new Coulterisms will be interpreted as sanction, so they huff and puff at her scuzzy comments, as they did this week, to prove their own enlightenment. All that does is advertise Coulter's ideas to still-greater audiences, which translates into additional book sales and TV appearances, which drive still more book sales. She couldn't be happier.

Not everybody can pull off this trick. Dinesh D'Souza out-Coulters Coulter in his new book, The Enemy at Home, published by Doubleday, by blaming 9/11 on America's cultural left. (I'm not kidding.) Although he's mastered the art of the outrageous, he's too easily wounded by his critics because he wants to be taken seriously as a "scholar." The attacks on his ridiculous book have produced genuine sadness, as all this I-can't-get-no-respect grimacing in this January 2007 piece for the Washington Post Outlook section indicates.

Coulter doesn't make D'Souza's mistake of striving for respect. Effrontery is what she does for a living, and she's comfortable with it. So, I suppose it's only a matter of time before she calls Barack Obama a Black Panther masquerading as Uncle Tom, describes Hillary Clinton as a dyke Hitler, or reaches for something even more irreverent. As long as respectable forums like TV talk shows, New York publishers, and CPAC continue to give her a platform, the press won't be able to leave her alone. And this chapter of the Coulter show hasn't even concluded. According to Media Matters for America, Coulter will appear on CNN's Paula Zahn Now tonight.

HarleyRider · March 5th, 2007, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by UncleChris

Keep it up, Coultergeist.... You do nothing but help the left when you get so stone-friggin' stupid....

Exactly.

I'm pretty Republican in my views and I HATE Coulter.

I wish she would shut the hell up and disappear.

Djaughe · March 6th, 2007, 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Renz

It does? Coulter says all kinds of wacky things to sell more books, make money etc. This is still a free country. She can say what she likes.

If she is ever elected to office then you can complain about her representing Republicans.

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Originally Posted by 40yearfan

Think Howard Dean.

All parties have their outspoken people. You can't control what they are going to say. You can only condemn them when they say it.

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Originally Posted by 40yearfan

Food for thought:

Now tell me how that is not as bad as Coulter.

Using the "its a free country" or pointing the finger at left winged extremists really shouldn't be used in this context because it gives an appearance that they have some type of credibility and lowers the conservative bar to their level. Which by all indicators is beyond too late - because with that one word - conservatives are now slapped with the "guilty by association" analogy to the American public.

44yearoldfan of all people can confirm the days in which Reagan and Tip O'Neil would have their political disagreements and then later go have drinks at the white house. It would be nice to see if that even happens anymore between the two politcial parties.

Coulter made her comments as an invited speaker at a big wig conference of conservatives which included a type of "who's who" of republicans ranging from the vice president, Senators and potential wannabe candidates - all of which was $ponsored by some heavy hitting conservative groups.

Pretty much Coulter summed up that if you disagree with someone - just call him a “faggot” and move on to questions. That wasn't a drunken tirade at a sports bar - this was a freakin fart bomb in our own tent that was met with scattered applause.

If she gets a 2008 invite to this function - then it will confirm that this grand ole party is now being run by hostile, youtubed, egocentric, book pimping, people-hating idiots.

If the politicians have any balls - they'll boycott next years conference and demand others do the same.

Divide Et Impera · March 6th, 2007, 05:07 AM

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/player...News&515&&&new

What an evasive, unapologetic being....

Djaughe · March 6th, 2007, 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Divide Et Impera

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/player...News&515&&&new

What an evasive, unapologetic being....

Linky no workie...unless thats part of the "evasive, unpologetic" part.

Edwards' Response