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Old July 25th, 2007, 10:22 AM   #16
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There's this one idea that's been around for a long, long time. What is it again?

Oh yeah, cutting spending like a mad banshee. That's it.

It never ceases to amaze me how so many people are so understanding of managing their own money and personal bank account/deficit but willing to give government a free pass to be absolute idiots in that regard. If you ran up a monster deficit in your home, would you go begging for an undeserved raise or would you slash your spending, work on your budget and fix your problem? But since the government can IMPOSE a mandatory raise for their coffers, that's the easy way out. Instead, they need to Dave Ramsey it (and I am not even a disciple of the guy).
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Old July 25th, 2007, 10:55 AM   #17
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I still think it may be Hillary and Gen.Wesley Clark.
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Old July 25th, 2007, 10:58 AM   #18
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I still think it may be Hillary and Gen.Wesley Clark.
On second thought, I may not go Dem. no matter what.
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Old July 25th, 2007, 12:12 PM   #19
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She said that? Yeesh, Hillary. Was she talking about AQ leaders or North Korea/Iran?
She was speaking of not meeting with the leaders of the nations of Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Veneuzela, ect...

Her response was that she didn't want such meetings to lend "legitimacy" to their regimes. Most of those guys already are the real leaders of those nations and the President of the United States talking to them won't make that more or less so.

I believe Hillary will be so scared to make a mistake as the first woman president, she will be unwilling to make bold moves.
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Old July 25th, 2007, 12:18 PM   #20
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She was speaking of not meeting with the leaders of the nations of Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Veneuzela, ect...

Her response was that she didn't want such meetings to lend "legitimacy" to their regimes. Most of those guys already are the real leaders of those nations and the President of the United States talking to them won't make that more or less so.

I believe Hillary will be so scared to make a mistake as the first woman president, she will be unwilling to make bold moves.
Why can't the Presidential candidate say "Yeah, I'll talk to them, and I'll tell them we are going to have problems if they don't.... or if they continue to...." Seems an easy way to get points on the campaign trail. The "don't want to lend legitimacy" won't gain any points with me.
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Old July 25th, 2007, 12:47 PM   #21
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I really wanted the first response from Kucinich to the same-sex marriage question to be: "What? Are you gay?"
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Old July 25th, 2007, 01:53 PM   #22
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There's this one idea that's been around for a long, long time. What is it again?

Oh yeah, cutting spending like a mad banshee. That's it.

It never ceases to amaze me how so many people are so understanding of managing their own money and personal bank account/deficit but willing to give government a free pass to be absolute idiots in that regard. If you ran up a monster deficit in your home, would you go begging for an undeserved raise or would you slash your spending, work on your budget and fix your problem? But since the government can IMPOSE a mandatory raise for their coffers, that's the easy way out. Instead, they need to Dave Ramsey it (and I am not even a disciple of the guy).
Sorry, but simply cutting spending is not going to pay for the war... Right now it is the so called "fiscally responsible" Repbulicans whom are to blame for this deficit disaster.

Cutting taxes during war time was a brilliant idea!
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Old July 27th, 2007, 09:33 AM   #23
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GOP "front runners" may be balking on the CNN/YouTube debate scheduled for September 17.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/015889.php

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07.26.07 -- 9:24PMBy Josh Marshall
It's looking like there might not be a GOP CNN/Youtube debate. Rudy appears to be opting out and Mitt Romney doesn't seem far behind. And GOP party functionary Hugh Hewitt is already laying down a line of covering fire for the retreat, arguing that CNN and Youtube are biased against Republicans.

"Liberal Bias", whatever else it once was, now appears to be the new Republican code word for any venue or events not controlled by Republican commisars like Hugh Hewitt along the lines of President Bush's notorious Social Security townhalls in which only certified flunkies who swore to a Bush loyalty oath were let into the room.

As I said here on the night of the debate, the CNN/Youtube debate wasn't perfect. And there were for my tastes a bit too many questions based on a rather cliched sort of viral video silliness. All told though I found it surprisingly successful in getting fresh questions into the mix and edging at least somewhat more candor out of the candidates than the usual fare.

I'm not sure whether the resistance is rooted is the profound feebleness of the current GOP field or the fact that the current Bush Republican party is so beholden to a worldview based on denial and suppression of evidence that exposure to unpredictable questions presents too great a danger. But if they can't face Youtube how can they defeat the terrorists?
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Old July 27th, 2007, 09:37 AM   #24
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Sorry, but simply cutting spending is not going to pay for the war... Right now it is the so called "fiscally responsible" Repbulicans whom are to blame for this deficit disaster.

Cutting taxes during war time was a brilliant idea!
The debt has gone up 1 Trillion under Bush. It cannot all be pinned on this administration alone.
The debt is almost 9 Trillion now and growing by 2 Billion a day!

Reducing government spending, including the war, is the only reasonable way to fix this mess.

The American people are not under-taxed.
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Old July 27th, 2007, 10:19 AM   #25
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The debt has gone up 1 Trillion under Bush. It cannot all be pinned on this administration alone.
The debt is almost 9 Trillion now and growing by 2 Billion a day!

Reducing government spending, including the war, is the only reasonable way to fix this mess.

The American people are not under-taxed.
SirChaz, there was a 5 Trillion Dollar Surplus January 20, 2001!! So, yes, it is this administration!!

The Rich American people are undertaxed. We could fund the whole SCHIP program and more by eliminating that tax break for the rich. At least that's what the experts say.
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Old July 27th, 2007, 11:38 AM   #26
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SirChaz, there was a 5 Trillion Dollar Surplus January 20, 2001!! So, yes, it is this administration!!

The Rich American people are undertaxed. We could fund the whole SCHIP program and more by eliminating that tax break for the rich. At least that's what the experts say.
Huh?

5 Trillion dollar surplus? Maybe in fantasy-land.

The national debt has not been reduced in real numbers for 40+ years. The deficit is nothing more than an accounting estimate. Given the fact that the Social Security revenues are spent on general expenditures there is not and has not recently been an actual surplus. Any supposed surplus is more than eliminated by the unfunded liabilities that are accruing with medicare, social security, and prescription drug benefits.

I am not excusing this administration for it's acceleration of our fiscal problems but to say it stops and ends with this administration is just walking around with partisan blinders on.




This class warfare really bugs me. If only we soaked the rich even more all our problems could be solved?
Do you even know what percentage the rich currently pay?

The top-earning 25 percent of taxpayers (AGI over $60,041) earned 66.1 percent of nation’s income, but they paid more than four out of every five dollars collected by the federal income tax (84.9 percent). The top 1 percent of taxpayers (AGI over $328,049) earned approximately 19 percent of the nation’s income (as defined by AGI), yet paid 36.9 percent of all federal income taxes.
http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/250.html

Maybe we should confiscate anything over a certain amout so nobody can make more than anyone else? How do you think that would work out?



We could reduce the budget by 1/3rd and spending would be at year 2000 levels.
The only real way to reduce the debt is to live within our means and that means not spending almost 3 Trillion a year and not printing money to make up for the shortfall.

The poor are getting screwed more by inflation than they are from "tax cuts for the rich" because those rich people are for the most part business owners that provide jobs for us poor people.
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Old July 28th, 2007, 01:27 AM   #27
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GOP "front runners" may be balking on the CNN/YouTube debate scheduled for September 17.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/015889.php
Wow...

If McCain wanted to jumpstart his campaign, being the only Republican to show up and field questions would certainly do it.
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Old July 28th, 2007, 01:51 AM   #28
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SirChaz, there was a 5 Trillion Dollar Surplus January 20, 2001!! So, yes, it is this administration!!

The Rich American people are undertaxed. We could fund the whole SCHIP program and more by eliminating that tax break for the rich. At least that's what the experts say.
5 trillion?!?!? Don't pull numbers out of your butt. http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLI...inton.surplus/
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Old July 28th, 2007, 03:16 AM   #29
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Wow...

If McCain wanted to jumpstart his campaign, being the only Republican to show up and field questions would certainly do it.
He'd just get torn apart by Ron Paul, who likely wouldn't miss this...given his love from the Internets.
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What a visual! That would be GREAT! Poor McCain would get lapped!!!
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