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Old July 26th, 2007, 05:00 AM   #1
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BAM! Obama lays the smack down!!!!


http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archi...25/290301.aspx

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EXCLUSIVE: OBAMA HITS CLINTON -- HARDER

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Sen. Obama has ESCALATED his criticism of Hillary Clinton -- taking it to political defcon three -- in an exclusive on-camera interview with NBC News.

It is a lot tougher than what he said in the debate -- or in the Iowa newspaper interview yesterday.


During a stakeout outside his senate office, Obama said in part:

"I think what is irresponsible and naive is to have authorized a war without asking how we were going to get out -- and you know I think Senator Clinton hasn’t fully answered that issue.

"The general principle that I was laying out is that we should not be afraid as America to meet with anybody.

"Now, they may not like what we want to hear -- so if I’m talking to the President of Iran, I’m going to inform him that Israel is our stalwart ally, and we are going to do what's necessary to protect them -- that we will not accept a nuclear bomb in Iran, but that doesn’t mean we can’t say that face to face. And obviously, the diplomatic spadework has to be done ahead of time.

"The notion that I was somehow going to be inviting them over for tea next week without having initial envoys meet is ridiculous.

"But the general principle is one that I think Senator Clinton is wrong on -- and that is if we are laying out preconditions that prevents us from speaking frankly to these folks, then we are continuing with Bush-Cheney policies, and I am not interested in continuing that.

"I know that she has said in the past that we have to talk to our enemies -- well that’s what this is about. And if we say that we will not talk to them unless they meet a series of preconditions, then that’s the same position that Bush and Cheney have maintained over the last six years, and it has made us less safe. And that’s what I think is going to be a significant part of this debate in 2008.

"We responded to her in this situation, and I think there is a genuine difference, if there isn’t a difference, then Senator Clinton should explain it. I think that we should talk to everybody.

"That ultimately is what’s going to create the environment in which we can reduce some of the threat levels we are facing. To fail to do that is the same conventional Washington thinking that led many including Senator Clinton to go ahead with the war without having asked adequate questions."

****UPDATE**** Clinton supporters respond to Obama's new criticism by pointing out that Clinton has been very critical of the Bush's Administration policies on diplomacy. Also, her response at the debate -- and in yesterday's skirmish -- was that it doesn't make any sense to pursue vigorous diplomacy without getting the most of it. You just can't promise to meet with world leaders, they say, without conditions.

*** SECOND UPDATE *** The Clinton campaign has now released this statement from Richard Holbrooke, who served as UN ambassador in Bill Clinton's administration: "As she has said many times, Senator Clinton believes we need to engage in vigorous diplomacy after the cowboy approach of the Bush years. She has said she would initiate serious, responsible dialogue with nations with whom we don’t agree in order to further the national security interest of the United States. But she is right not to risk the prestige of the presidency by unconditionally committing to meet with leaders of adversarial nations."
I think that Obama is a true thinker and highly intellectual. Everything he says is so well thought out and he has always been several steps ahead of everyone. The brilliance of his mind is rare. To say otherwise is irresponsible and naiive....
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Old July 26th, 2007, 07:25 AM   #2
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I think that Obama is a true thinker and highly intellectual. Everything he says is so well thought out and he has always been several steps ahead of everyone. The brilliance of his mind is rare. To say otherwise is irresponsible and naiive....
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Old July 26th, 2007, 07:27 AM   #3
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Can You Smell What Barack Is Cooking??!!!
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Old July 26th, 2007, 07:29 AM   #4
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I think that Obama is a true thinker and highly intellectual. Everything he says is so well thought out and he has always been several steps ahead of everyone. The brilliance of his mind is rare. To say otherwise is irresponsible and naiive....
I like the guy. Plus he's got the one thing going for him that I think will win him the presidency: He's not Hillary.
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Old July 26th, 2007, 08:01 AM   #5
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I love the guy. I'm in love with the guy. I want to make love on the guy.

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Did you get Absolute Zero's permission to post this?






(oh, and B-Rock kicking hillary tail is always good to see)
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Old July 26th, 2007, 08:35 AM   #7
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(oh, and B-Rock kicking hillary tail is always good to see)
Buddy, I was driving the Obama bandwagon before AZ even knew he was going to run (do a search on here for yourself). I don't mind AZ hitching a ride on this bandwagon though. There's plenty of room....



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Old July 26th, 2007, 04:27 PM   #10
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Dudes gonna screw around and she won't offer him the VP job.
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Old July 26th, 2007, 07:17 PM   #11
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Dudes gonna screw around and she won't offer him the VP job.
She ain't going to get a shot at the PotUS job anyway, so he has nothing to lose.

Seriously...she is the WORST candidate. If the D's want to get the conservatives out to the polls for the General Election in FORCE, then Hillary should win the primary. If they want to actually WIN the White House, B-Rock is the guy to do it.
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I never take anyones word for these kinda deals after they have spread proganda repeatedly for years..

Im more inclinded to believe someone who see's both sides.. Not an agenda..

Anyone who makes multiple posts on how wrong things are, then makes as many posts on how right things are on the opposite side cant be trusted.. You just as bad..
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Old July 27th, 2007, 11:00 AM   #13
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The Sparring Continues Between Obama and Clinton


Clinton-Obama flap shifts race to negative tone

By Steve Holland1 hour, 7 minutes ago



In a flap that has shifted the Democratic 2008 presidential race to a more negative tone, Hillary Clinton is pitting her experience against Barack Obama's desire for fundamental change.
Neither side was backing down from a dispute that erupted at a debate on Monday and turned nastier as the week went on, wrapping up with bitter exchanges between top Clinton strategist Howard Wolfson and his Obama counterpart, David Axelrod.
Clinton considers the first-term senator from Illinois naive for saying he would be willing to meet leaders of hostile nations like Iran and Cuba, while Obama thinks Clinton is sticking to the foreign policy status quo of the much-criticized Bush administration.
The Obama camp, looking for an opening to use the feud to cut into Clinton's lead in the polls, put up an advertisement on news sites in the early U.S. voting states of Iowa and New Hampshire.
The ad criticizes the New York senator and former first lady for her initial vote in support of the Iraq war and asks the question, "Ready for a New Direction?"
"It's time to abandon the short-sighted, naive idea that we punish our enemies by not talking to them. It's time to let go of the thinking that got us into Iraq without a plan in the first place," the ad said.
The Clinton camp placed comments from her and Obama on her web site, HillaryHub.com, and provided a link to an opinion article written by conservative Charles Krauthammer that described "how the grizzled veteran showed up the clueless rookie."
Former Sen. John Edwards, in third place in the polls behind Clinton and Obama to become the Democratic nominee in the November 2008 election, inserted himself into the conflict and tried to take the high road.
"If you're looking for what's wrong in Washington, why the system is broken, one perfect example is what's been happening over the last four days. We've had two good people, Democratic candidates for president, who've spent their time attacking each other instead of attacking the problems facing our country," Edwards, the party's 2004 vice presidential candidate, told an Urban League annual conference in St. Louis.
Aides said Edwards' position on meeting leaders of hostile nations was similar to that of Clinton -- that any presidential meeting with the leader of a troublesome nation would have to be preceded by lower-level diplomatic contact to ensure it would be productive and not misused for propaganda purposes.
Another Democratic candidate, Connecticut Sen. Chris Dodd, called the conflict "just another personal argument among politicians, and that's lamentable given the stakes in this election."
And still another candidate, New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, who has done his share of international diplomacy as a former U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, said he did not see what all the fuss was about.
"You know, I've actually met a lot of these guys already -- I've met (Cuban leader Fidel) Castro, I've met (Venezuelan President Hugo) Chavez," he told The Washington Post.
A front-runner in U.S. politics does not generally benefit from engaging a trailing opponent, but in this case, the Clinton campaign is wary of Obama's fund-raising -- he has raised more than her -- and is eager to try to pin the inexperienced label on him.
The Obama camp believes the dispute demonstrated "a real choice" for Democratic voters and showed the Illinois senator represents "dramatic change" from conventional thinking. Democratic strategist Chris Lehane said both sides got out of it what they wanted.
But he said he believed Clinton came out the winner. Obama's attack on Clinton as "Bush-Cheney lite" undermined his message that his campaign represents politics of hope over negativity -- "the exact elements that made him interesting in the first place," said Lehane.

I can't believe she is quoting Krauthammer, one of the biggest neocons ever. She truly is republican lite. Keep kicking ass Barack!!!
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It does feel good to be in a win win situation.Anyone of the bunch will be ok with me. Although I would like to know who the old guy is on the end.
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Old July 27th, 2007, 11:57 AM   #15
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You mean Mike Gravel? He's actually kinda crazy. I listened to a 2-hour interview on the radio a couple of weeks ago. The more time went on the crazier he got. He's a flatout libertarian. Don't get me wrong. Some libertarian principles are good, but as a whole, a but nutty. I mean a bit nutty. I'm leaving that where it is because that's too funny to me. a but nutty.
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