December 19th, 2007, 01:57 PM
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A Son's past deeds come back to bite Hukabee
http://www.newsweek.com/id/78241
Michael Vick is in jail, this guy is free, guess it's not what you know but who you know.
BTW, I want the same outrage over this as over Mike Vick, no Huckabee himself didn't kill the dog, he only is implicated in a possible cover up of the incident.
The guy is trash IMO.
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December 19th, 2007, 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by conraddobler
http://www.newsweek.com/id/78241
Michael Vick is in jail, this guy is free, guess it's not what you know but who you know.
BTW, I want the same outrage over this as over Mike Vick, no Huckabee himself didn't kill the dog, he only is implicated in a possible cover up of the incident.
The guy is trash IMO.
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Ouch... Looks pretty incriminating and potentially lethal to the Huck-a-boom engine...
That said, demanding Vick treatment when no one has been charged or even investigated seems a bit judgemental... |
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December 20th, 2007, 06:15 AM
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This has been around forever. Animal cruelty is a misdemeanor in Arkansas. Same son also got arrested in LR airport for having a loaded Glock in his carry on bag.
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December 20th, 2007, 06:30 AM
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Wasn't Vick charged with breaking inter-state commerce laws or something like that? Not actually for animal cruelty.
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December 20th, 2007, 08:29 AM
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Mike has had a target on his back for weeks. Expect to see one story after another on how bad he is, possibly fed by the Romney, Thompson or Giuliani camps.
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December 22nd, 2007, 08:06 AM
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Eh, I might of been too hard on him.
The guy creeps me out period, so there is my disclaimer. I actually like his fair tax idea a lot, him, not so much.
I don't like the implication of how the guy handled it with getting rid of the state trooper, I don't know all the facts but his son seems like a complete waste case, I'm always leary of people producing human piles of waste as offspring, that can tell you more than a little about someone IMO.
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Last edited by conraddobler; December 22nd, 2007 at 08:09 AM.
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December 22nd, 2007, 01:38 PM
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Eh, I might of been too hard on him.
The guy creeps me out period, so there is my disclaimer. I actually like his fair tax idea a lot, him, not so much.
I don't like the implication of how the guy handled it with getting rid of the state trooper, I don't know all the facts but his son seems like a complete waste case, I'm always leary of people producing human piles of waste as offspring, that can tell you more than a little about someone IMO.
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C-rad - I expect better from you than this... The bolded statement seems extremely shallow and well, quite ignorant? That said, I actually do believe that kids who turn into "piles of waste" as you say, are often times the product of extremely poor parenting. However, that is certainly not always the case and in fact, there are plenty of examples where the parents were very fine people, solid citizens...yet, the kid(s) wound up on the wrong path and in trouble. I am a parent and I'd like to believe that because of me (and my wife), my kids will never become "piles of waste". But I know better... stuff happens... I can't control everything... nor can the Huckster... |
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December 22nd, 2007, 11:11 PM
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C-rad - I expect better from you than this... The bolded statement seems extremely shallow and well, quite ignorant? That said, I actually do believe that kids who turn into "piles of waste" as you say, are often times the product of extremely poor parenting. However, that is certainly not always the case and in fact, there are plenty of examples where the parents were very fine people, solid citizens...yet, the kid(s) wound up on the wrong path and in trouble. I am a parent and I'd like to believe that because of me (and my wife), my kids will never become "piles of waste". But I know better... stuff happens... I can't control everything... nor can the Huckster...
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IMO it's almost always the parents fault, almost, not always but almost.
His handling by firing the trooper if true is alarming as well, I'd expect you to take more responsibity than that 82.
Kids can go wrong but the likelyhood is greatly diminished under proper parenting circumstance, the greatest of which is love.
Unconditional love first with demands on behavior rarely fails, don't be so easy on people it's part of our problem.
IMO failing to communicate the unconditional part is the primary mistake, it's nothing scientific and it's my opinion but highly religious leaders can and do IMO go wrong by failing to communicate in action or emotions unconditional love, they set standards that almost make the kid feel if they aren't as religious they aren't worthy IMO.
I have no idea in this guys case, don't know them, purely speculating.
Truth is our culture lacks a lot to be desired, where are you exactly going to place that blame?
I suppose it was tv, or the liberal media, it could have nothing to do with over driven over worked doting on the one hand and abandoning on the other hand parents.
BTW, a kid who'd hang a dog, especially under any circumstances remotely resembling the allegations in the article isn't just a little bad, they are a whole lot messed up.
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December 23rd, 2007, 06:22 AM
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Originally Posted by conraddobler
IMO it's almost always the parents fault, almost, not always but almost.
His handling by firing the trooper if true is alarming as well, I'd expect you to take more responsibity than that 82.
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Well, I would say as I did above - that often times it's the parents fault, but not "almost always"...
And, I can't say the facts are clear enough regarding the firing of the trooper. But if true, it is absolutely alarming!
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Originally Posted by conraddobler
Kids can go wrong but the likelyhood is greatly diminished under proper parenting circumstance, the greatest of which is love.
Unconditional love first with demands on behavior rarely fails, don't be so easy on people it's part of our problem.
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Totally agree in that unconditional love, matched with clear and well-managed behavioral expectations provide a solid foundation. Flawless? Nope... There are so many other reasons as to why these tactics fail, and why a kid might not respond properly... Believe me Conrad, I am not at all going easy on anyone. However, I have seen many instances where Parents at minimim, have done what you prescribe here, and things didn't work out. Is it the parents "fault"? I guess, just as it might be the fault of a CEO of a 50,000 employee firm when the mail room clerk is stuffing chekcs into his/her own pocket.... Is the parent "accountable"? You bet...
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Originally Posted by conraddobler
IMO failing to communicate the unconditional part is the primary mistake, it's nothing scientific and it's my opinion but highly religious leaders can and do IMO go wrong by failing to communicate in action or emotions unconditional love, they set standards that almost make the kid feel if they aren't as religious they aren't worthy IMO.
I have no idea in this guys case, don't know them, purely speculating.
Truth is our culture lacks a lot to be desired, where are you exactly going to place that blame?
I suppose it was tv, or the liberal media, it could have nothing to do with over driven over worked doting on the one hand and abandoning on the other hand parents.
BTW, a kid who'd hang a dog, especially under any circumstances remotely resembling the allegations in the article isn't just a little bad, they are a whole lot messed up.
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People like to blame "our culture", the "liberal media", etc... I would never... well, not when it comes to the issue of parenting, or lack thereof...
While I do believe our culture has deteriorated (as I type this, my kids are watching MTV Cribs...), parents have choics to make. And most importantly, it's incumbent upon parents to "be there" for their kids, and guide them through todays thinly layers, all about the bling, all about me culture...
Your prescription (which I am an ardent practioner of), is a very effective method. All I'm saying is that it is not a fail-safe. Emotional, Behavioral & Psychological issues can often not be "fixed" by such traditional means... |
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December 23rd, 2007, 08:51 AM
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Well, I would say as I did above - that often times it's the parents fault, but not "almost always"...
And, I can't say the facts are clear enough regarding the firing of the trooper. But if true, it is absolutely alarming!
Totally agree in that unconditional love, matched with clear and well-managed behavioral expectations provide a solid foundation. Flawless? Nope... There are so many other reasons as to why these tactics fail, and why a kid might not respond properly... Believe me Conrad, I am not at all going easy on anyone. However, I have seen many instances where Parents at minimim, have done what you prescribe here, and things didn't work out. Is it the parents "fault"? I guess, just as it might be the fault of a CEO of a 50,000 employee firm when the mail room clerk is stuffing chekcs into his/her own pocket.... Is the parent "accountable"? You bet...
People like to blame "our culture", the "liberal media", etc... I would never... well, not when it comes to the issue of parenting, or lack thereof...
While I do believe our culture has deteriorated (as I type this, my kids are watching MTV Cribs...), parents have choics to make. And most importantly, it's incumbent upon parents to "be there" for their kids, and guide them through todays thinly layers, all about the bling, all about me culture...
Your prescription (which I am an ardent practioner of), is a very effective method. All I'm saying is that it is not a fail-safe. Emotional, Behavioral & Psychological issues can often not be "fixed" by such traditional means...
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I agree with you.
The most important thing your kid can ever know is that you just love them, approving of their behavior is a seperate matter.
You're probably right, nothing works perfectly, however if more people did it the world would be a better place.
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