dreamcastrocks

Watch the youtube above, she plagiarized it.

abomb

How anyone can even consider voting for Hillary is beyond me.

MigratingOsprey

damn -she even used some of the same hand motions - incredible, especially after her change by xerox commentary

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82CardsGrad

My opinion... Obama is so much more likeable. Just that fact alone will most likely carry him past Clinton...
But, I believe that when they debate side by side on real issues like Heathcare and Foriegn Affairs - he comes off as sophomoric...
Doesn't mean that she would be more effective than he would be - in fact, I'm convinced she wouldn't be... However, it's clear in these settings who is the more polished, seasoned, "inside the beltway" politician. And again - that fact alone could be the demise of Billary...

I will also add that I find it just plain funny how both Obama and Clinton, as well as the other Dem. candidates before they exited, knew how to get a rise from the crowd... As long as they intersperse "George Bush" or "This Administration..." as frequently as possible into their commentary, they are sure to receive applause from the crowd...

The rhetoric is so tiring... I can't wait for the real debates to start...

Mulli

The same rhetoric will get the same reaction in the "real" debates.

Southpaw

America is falling for the " image ". They are buying the package. Very sad.

Get ready for 4 years of leadership about as effective as Jimmy Carter or Gerald Ford... unless Johnny Mac's bid gets him in.

DNC dropped the ball big time on this. The best candidates are gone.

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Mulli

They bought Bill Clinton's image and he was better than those cats (arguably). I just can't see how you can equate Carter and Ford to Obama.

Southpaw

Did you understand that statement? I wasn't speaking about the person or their images, I was talking about " not able to do anything " terms. If elected , Obama won't get Jack S. done.

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MigratingOsprey

I don't think obama is sophmoric in his responses - but he isn't as polished - to me he isn't rehearsed to the point, but actually is thinking about how to phrase his message

however, when his message is presented i think on a base level basis it's more to the point than clintons - when he was rebutting her claim about 15M uninsured he went into better detail with his plan, the failings of past efforts, why his plan would work and difficulties it would face - he just didn't present it super smoothly .......... clinton on the other hand was very smooth in the rhetoric that we will insure everyone and the only way you have a social mandate is if you make it mandatory - if not it wouldn't work using SS as an example ......... but she really didn't respond to the potential downfalls of the mandate that obama brought up

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MigratingOsprey

why?!

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D-Dogg

Why is that? He will have a democratic senate and house, more than likely. He'll be able to do a lot of what he wants.

Nothing stupid like National Health Care, one would hope, but a lot of his other good plans should get the mark of approval.

Linderbee

I thought the exact same thing.

Not during this debate...I just said that they get up from the table at the break to fix their make up & when else are they going to fix her necklace (referring to a much earlier debate in which her messed up necklace was bugging me & I commented on it)

I felt that Obama came off that way a little with regards to foreign affairs, but not so much that I felt he looked bad, just that Hillary had a better, more polished answer.
I got sick of how many times Hillary said, "George Bush". I don't blame him entirely for our pitfalls...I think "this administration" is a much more accurate term. I'd venture to say Hillary used both far more than Obama. She seems to be a "focus on the sins of the past so vote for me" type of candidate, whereas Obama is more "yes, the past sucked, let's change it for the future so vote for me" type of candidate. I prefer the latter, obviously.

I was telling dcr last night that Hillary just sounds so rehearsed to me, where even though I've heard the same things out of Obama a lot now, it still sounds genuine. I don't mind that he's not as polished in the debates, or, doesn't SOUND as polished. I like that he thinks about what he's going to say, and then says it. I don't want canned, pre-planned answers that really just avoid the subject. I want to know what they're THINKING.

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Linderbee

and that's the "stupid" thing my family & I are really hoping gets done. Can't tell you how long it's been since I've been to the doctor. I haven't had my meds for my fibro in well over a year. National Health Care isn't stupid to everyone.

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D-Dogg

The fact that we can't afford both Social Security and Medicare as it is, makes government-provided Universal Health Care stupid.

There are better ways to fix health care than allowing the government to get involved and red-tape the f out of it, and simply push up our national bankruptcy from 3 decades to 1 or 2.

MigratingOsprey

i personally think it's a poor idea as well and one of my main sticking points

however, I have little confidence anyone will get it done so it's fallen down my priority lists

if one of the plans were to go through, i think obamas could be a little more palatable as it seems like there would be less ingrained bureaucracy and cost

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