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View Poll Results: Should wearing clothing that displays the Confederate Flag be banned in public school
Yes. 8 28.57%
No. 17 60.71%
Unsure. 3 10.71%
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Old October 10th, 2005, 08:31 AM   #1
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Should wearing clothing that displays the Confederate Flag be banned in public school


Jersey Girl is on holiday fer today - but she still cared enough about us little folks to PM this POD Question:


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Should wearing clothing that displays the Confederate Flag be banned in public schools?

There have been a number of cases over the past few years regarding whether or not students should be allowed to wear clothing that contains the Confederate Flag.

Following are some links to some of the cases:

http://www.sptimes.com/2004/02/10/Pa...reshman_.shtml
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl...04/ai_n9532579
http://wusatv9.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=43359

So, what do you think? Do students have the right to wear what they want in public school? Is the Confederate Flag a sign of Southern culture or racism? And, if it is a sign of Southern culture, should students not from the south be able to wear it? Discuss.
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Old October 10th, 2005, 08:34 AM   #2
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The confederate flag means different things to different people. To me, it means the Dukes of Hazard.

However, it's a school's right to set it's own dress code.
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Old October 10th, 2005, 08:34 AM   #3
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BTW voted unsure because it's more of "Don't have an opinion on the matter one way or another."
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Old October 10th, 2005, 09:08 AM   #4
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Old October 10th, 2005, 09:52 AM   #5
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Personally I think the Confederate flag is an innapropriate symbol. But I'm not a fan of school dress codes.
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Old October 10th, 2005, 10:03 AM   #6
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Private schools? Sure--they can do whatever they want.

Public schools? No--as inappropriate as it may be, it should be protected by free speech.

What if I wore a t-shirt with the Stars and Bars and a Native American found it offensive? Should I be forced to remove it? Of course not. ...Same thing with different parties involved.
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Old October 10th, 2005, 12:13 PM   #7
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Private schools? Sure--they can do whatever they want.

Public schools? No--as inappropriate as it may be, it should be protected by free speech.

What if I wore a t-shirt with the Stars and Bars and a Native American found it offensive? Should I be forced to remove it? Of course not. ...Same thing with different parties involved.
Stars and Bars refers to the Confederate Flag. Stars and Stripes is the American flag.

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Old October 10th, 2005, 01:09 PM   #8
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Stars and Bars refers to the Confederate Flag. Stars and Stripes is the American flag.

You are right KOC, but this is the stars and bars


This is the confederate battle flag.
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Old October 10th, 2005, 01:11 PM   #9
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Public schools? No--as inappropriate as it may be, it should be protected by free speech.
A public school, however, has a mission which can be protected from disruption. Thus, speech is necessarily restricted. For example, on the street, a student could say to me "What up, mother------?" and that is free speech. If they say that to me in class, they will be punished and maybe even expelled.

When it comes to clothing, it's the same principle. If it's disruptive, it shouldn't be allowed. Most dress codes have some sort of clause saying it's the administration's discretion as to whether it's disruptive or not. If the "Stars and Bars" is not an issue to a particular community then it's probably going to not be disallowed.

There are 168 hours in a week. The typical student will spend 35 of those in school. That leaves 133 hours for students to swear, give the finger, wear shirts that display alcohol, drugs or things like the Confederate flag. Plenty of opportunities to to practice their "freedom of speech".
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Old October 10th, 2005, 01:49 PM   #10
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Whenever a student signs their student handbook, they are giving up their freedom of speech (somewhat), as it states that they will follow the school rules. Thus, by wearing a confederate flag, they would be violating the contract they signed with the school.
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Old October 10th, 2005, 02:01 PM   #11
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Old October 10th, 2005, 02:35 PM   #12
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I have seen the Confederate flag referred to as stars and bars.
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I have seen the Confederate flag referred to as stars and bars.
I have too but that is actually wrong.

Common name for the confederate battle flag is the rebel flag.

Stars and bars was the official flag of the Confederacy and something different than what most people know and recognize as the Rebel Flag. The rebel flag was used to prevent confusion between the stars and bars and the stars and stripes because they look similar.
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Old October 10th, 2005, 03:35 PM   #14
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Old October 10th, 2005, 10:14 PM   #15
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Whenever a student signs their student handbook, they are giving up their freedom of speech (somewhat), as it states that they will follow the school rules. Thus, by wearing a confederate flag, they would be violating the contract they signed with the school.

Not so fast.

You don't get the right to opt out on taxes and thus are forced into signing such a document unless you want your tax dollars to go to waste and can afford private school.

I have a real pet peeve with that kinda stuff. It's like everyone now thinks this catch all disclaimer will prevail and that isn't correct.

You cannot make a rule that abridges a constitutional right under those circumstances and be 100% sure it's going to hold up.

They may well rule the whole thing is just illegal removal of a right without proper cause.

I don't think it's completely without precedent that something like that could get overruled.
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