Shane

I know that in California it isnt legal. In Nevada it very much is legal. Anyone know the law specifically in AZ?

I have been to many homes at times where kids have literally told their parents "you better not touch me or I'll go to CPS and say that you abuse me" So what ends up happening is the parents call the police when their kid is spiraling out of control rather than discipline them. You should see the shock on the kids faces when the police arrive and tell the parents to start spanking or slapping the kid and right then while the police are there would be a good time to start.

That way the kid knows that there will be no calling CPS unless the parent is hitting them for A. No Reason or B. Doing it excessively and leaving deep bruises, or broken bones.

I find that many of the families that have this problem have moved to NV from California and it has been ingrained in the parents minds to not lay a finger on their children OR ELSE!

I returned to these homes at later dates to see how things are going at the house and find many times the problem has been fixed.

So my question to you is do you think it should be legal?

DjaugheOld

Typically how old are the kids?

Shane

I would say they have ranged from aas young as 7 or 8 to as old as 15 or so.

CardLogic

First let me state emphatically, child abuse is criminal and abhorrent.

Corporal punishment on the other hand can be a useful and effective tool, if used correctly. When employing corporal punishment it is imperative to not strike out in anger.

I think a common mistake made by many parents is punishment (corporal or otherwise) of a child without any discussion with the child or explanation of the reason for the punishment. In these situations, one can often see the "what did I do?" expression on the child's face.

Along with punishment a parent should always explain to the child the reason for their being disciplined and methods for the child to modify their behavior in the future.

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SirStefan32

My dad kicked my ass when I was 7, and never needed to do it again. 18 years later, I don't even think about talking back to him.

Good old fashioned ass-kicking is a great parenting tool.

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RedStorm

I agree with you and would only add that there should be a progression (IMO). A spanking for everything, all the time, is not the answer.

Also, I do not support corporal punishment in schools. It is the responsibility of the parents to raise, teach (disipline) their kids.

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RedStorm

Now that explains a lot... just kidding

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SirStefan32

Lol

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CardLogic

A good point, absolutely agree!

If effective, loving, parenting is in place a spanking will only be necessary a few times in a childs life.

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Linderbee

so far, the poll results surprise me. I agree, when using corporal punishment, you MUST NOT do it when angry. This may sound stupid, because you wouldn't be punishing your child if you weren't angry about the behavior, but it's too easy to lose control.

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Shane

Im actually quite surprised myself to this point. I thought for sure there would be some % that would say it should be illegal and flat out shouldnt be done. Really makes me wonder how it ever became illegal in CA.

LoyaltyisaCurse

open handed spanking on the ass is as far as I am willing to accept...

Hitting in the face, pulling hair, kicking, picking a switch, using a pizza paddle, or any foreign object is where I draw the line...

I also draw the line at leaving bruises or leesions...

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Shane

SO you think slapping a kid on the hand is unacceptable? What the hell is "picking a Switch"

LoyaltyisaCurse

For example; My grandfather tells me when he was a kid is father would make him "pick a switch" meaning a stick, or a rose bush stem; etc. that he was going to get spanked with...

Hand slapping is okay...

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Shane

Oh ok gotcha. Yea that wouldnt be good. But man kids in the old days were nowhere near as dissrespectful as the children of today. There is a reason for it.