June 25th, 2006, 11:26 AM
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POD 6/25/2006 - Is advocating the Destruction of the United States Treason?
Is financing groups/organizations whose end goal will cause the destruction of the United States treason?
And if so, what should be done about it?
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June 25th, 2006, 11:31 AM
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Yep. Nuke em.
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June 25th, 2006, 11:56 AM
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Is this some kind of trick question? Because the answer seems immediately clear.
Like...so if you've given money to the Republican party then you are committing treason...etc?
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June 25th, 2006, 12:04 PM
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Killer Snail
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Originally Posted by D-Dogg
Is this some kind of trick question? Because the answer seems immediately clear.
Like...so if you've given money to the Republican party then you are committing treason...etc?
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Nothing so mundane as giving money to the Republican Party. Just answer the question as stated in post #1
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June 25th, 2006, 12:08 PM
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Easy answer: yes it is and they should be tried for treason per the guidelines set forth by our political system.
I think your wording of "whose end goal will cause destruction of the U.S." might be open to interpretation.
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June 25th, 2006, 12:41 PM
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Jon, I put "don't know" because I think it would depend on your knowledge of the groups purpose as well as the group having that purpose. What if the end goal isn't to cause the destruction, but was the result. You didn't write that the person or the groups/organization knew that was the goal, only that the end goal will cause it. So for me intent is the deciding factor.
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June 25th, 2006, 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by KloD
Jon, I put "don't know" because I think it would depend on your knowledge of the groups purpose as well as the group having that purpose. What if the end goal isn't to cause the destruction, but was the result. You didn't write that the person or the groups/organization knew that was the goal, only that the end goal will cause it. So for me intent is the deciding factor.
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The question is very clear. If they are advocating the destruction of the USA it is most certainly treason. "Dont know" plain and simply just doesnt fit.
He didnt say in his question: If someone was advocating to do BLANK and it ended up in the destruction of the USA or could would it be treason?
Last edited by Shane; June 25th, 2006 at 02:14 PM.
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June 25th, 2006, 01:58 PM
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Depends what you mean by "destruction" and "United States".
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June 25th, 2006, 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Shane H
The question is very clear. If they are advocating the destruction of the USA it is most certainly treason. "Dont know" plain and simply just doesnt fit.
He didnt say in his question: If someone was planning to do BLANK and it ended up in the destruction of the USA or could would it be treason?
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Wrong. Maybe he meant that, maybe he didn't. The only way his question is clear is if you add to it as you do.
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Originally Posted by Jon
Is financing groups/organizations whose end goal will cause the destruction of the United States treason?
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He didn't say "intends", he didn't say "advocates".
If you contribute to a political party and their policies result in "the destruction of the USA", are you guilty of treason?
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June 25th, 2006, 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by KloD
Wrong. Maybe he meant that, maybe he didn't. The only way his question is clear is if you add to it as you do.
He didn't say "intends", he didn't say "advocates".
If you contribute to a political party and their policies result in "the destruction of the USA", are you guilty of treason?
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You kill me. That question is as straightforward as it comes. If you want to delve into fantasy about all the ins and outs of the different ways this country could be destroyed thats on you I guess. But take the question on its face not for what it might be or what it could be. Jon is a smart guy. He knows what he meant to ask I would be willing to bet.
But the question plain and simply put is treason anyway you slice it. If you advocate the destruction of the USA you are commiting treason. No if, ands, or buts! |
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June 25th, 2006, 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Shane H
You kill me. That question is as straightforward as it comes. If you want to delve into fantasy about all the ins and outs of the different ways this country could be destroyed thats on you I guess. But take the question on its face not for what it might be or what it could be. Jon is a smart guy. He knows what he meant to ask I would be willing to bet.
But the question plain and simply put is treason anyway you slice it. If you advocate the destruction of the USA you are commiting treason. No if, ands, or buts!
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What in the hell are you talking about? Can you read? First you add your own words and now your own meaning? NOBODY SAID ADVOCATE!!! He never said they intended to do anything. You scare me...Can you comprehend that?
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June 25th, 2006, 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by KloD
What in the hell are you talking about? Can you read? First you add your own words and now your own meaning? NOBODY SAID ADVOCATE!!! He never said they intended to do anything. You scare me...Can you comprehend that?
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This is his question verbatim: Is advocating the Destruction of the United States Treason?
Simply put YES. You are trying to be in some fantasy world bringing up all these possabilities that would make the question not treason and its funny as hell. Whats so damn scary? |
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June 25th, 2006, 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Shane H
This is his question verbatim: Is advocating the Destruction of the United States Treason?
Simply put YES. You are trying to be in some fantasy world bringing up all these possabilities that would make the question not treason and its funny as hell. Whats so damn scary?
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Ok, I see where were the problem is. He posted two different questions (bad jon). I read the one in the first post:
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Originally Posted by Jon
Is financing groups/organizations whose end goal will cause the destruction of the United States treason?
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I didn't look at the one above the choices, I assumed they would be the same question.
Anyway, then yes to the first question and I don't know to the second.
Sorry for the misunderstanding.
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June 25th, 2006, 07:23 PM
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This sounds like a set-up question.
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June 26th, 2006, 05:24 AM
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typically the way these work (polls - that is) is that you place the "question" in the choice section, which Jon did, you then use the first post to further explain the poll, which Jon did.... I don't know why some of you guys are so defensive that you try to over analyze things...
One does not over ride the other, they both go hand in hand, one blanket question, and a second for further explanation...
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