POD 10/13: Keep or remove "Under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance? - Page 3

Djaughe · October 13th, 2005, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by krepitch

Honestly, I just don't get why people who believe in God feel that it is so necessary to have God included in things like this.

Sorry I can't answer that - I'm not a believer.

krepitch · October 13th, 2005, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Djaughe

Sorry I can't answer that - I'm not a believer.

Oh, I didn't mean anyone in particular.

Taking god out of government doesn't mean taking god of the country and it certainly wouldn't restrict anyone's religious practices.

Seems to me that it would be best for all concerned to let government do its thing, let business do its thing and let religion do its thing.

Djaughe · October 13th, 2005, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by justAndy

A pledge that is made by ALL citizens SHOULD be free from religion.
The religious can say their prayers before and after.

Ironically I'm surprised that religious folks are not more offended by the term 'God' being used by non-believing folks in a pledge.

Isn't that considered offensive?

SirChaz · October 13th, 2005, 10:05 AM

I don't care.

As far as I am concerned get rid of the pledge completely.

Djaughe · October 13th, 2005, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by krepitch

Oh, I didn't mean anyone in particular.

Taking god out of government doesn't mean taking god of the country and it certainly wouldn't restrict anyone's religious practices.

Seems to me that it would be best for all concerned to let government do its thing, let business do its thing and let religion do its thing.

Taking 'God' completely out of government ignores the fundemental history of how this country was created.

"Our government makes no sense unless it is founded on a deeply held religious belief -- and I don't care what it is." ~ President Eisenhower

KloD · October 13th, 2005, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by PortlandCardFan

Don't care!!

If you don't 'believe' then don't say it.

How about take it out and if you believe, say it.

krepitch · October 13th, 2005, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Djaughe

Taking 'God' completely out of government ignores the fundemental history of how this country was created.

"Our government makes no sense unless it is founded on a deeply held religious belief -- and I don't care what it is." ~ President Eisenhower

Aww, man...am I going to have to quote the Treaty of Tripoli?

Rivercard · October 13th, 2005, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Djaughe

Why don't we just allow a few athiest extremists remove any mention of 'God' and rename our country the Union of Sympathetic Socialist Republics?

I guess you missed my point. When 91% of the public agrees that god should be considered mandatory reciting and inserted into all kinds of stuff, then why bother even trying to stop it. Just bend over and take it.

Rivercard · October 13th, 2005, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Djaughe

Taking 'God' completely out of government ignores the fundemental history of how this country was created.

"Our government makes no sense unless it is founded on a deeply held religious belief -- and I don't care what it is." ~ President Eisenhower

you picked a strange quote to support your point - did Eisenhower create the country?

Djaughe · October 13th, 2005, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by krepitch

Aww, man...am I going to have to quote the Treaty of Tripoli?

Nah - I'll jump right to the point of yer post - this is a classic example of seperation of church and state.

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As the Government of the United States...is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion--as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity of Musselmen--and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

arthurracoon · October 13th, 2005, 10:39 AM

I dont care.

I have no problem saying it, but I dont mind if others do.

LoyaltyisaCurse · October 13th, 2005, 10:39 AM

Personally, I dont think the pledge (in any form) is necessary in shcool. Its as if the pledge did not exist, we would have anarchy in the streets and kids would be rushing to outside forces to destroy America.

If people want to say "god", say it. If they don't, then don't.

Its really not that big of deal, unless a person who choses not the say the pledge with "God" is admonished in any way.

krepitch · October 13th, 2005, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Djaughe

Nah - I'll jump right to the point of yer post - this is a classic example of seperation of church and state.

Aww, man...am I going to have to write a twenty page paper on the trend of social entrepreneurship in today's nonprofit sector?

Djaughe · October 13th, 2005, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by krepitch

Aww, man...am I going to have to quote the Treaty of Tripoli?

btw...Congress also proclaimed days of fasting and of thanksgiving annually throughout the Revolutionary War...known as the Congressional Fast Day Proclamation.

This proclamation set back in May 17, 1776, called for a "day of Humiliation, Fasting and Prayer" throughout the colonies.

Congress urged its fellow citizens to:

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"confess and bewail our manifold sins and transgressions, and by a sincere repentance and amendment of life, appease his [God's] righteous displeasure, and through the merits and mediation of Jesus Christ, obtain his pardon and forgiveness."

I could be wrong here...but I think this is the origins of the National Day of Prayer.

Djaughe · October 13th, 2005, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by krepitch

Aww, man...am I going to have to write a twenty page paper on the trend of social entrepreneurship in today's nonprofit sector?

Only if yer going to make some money out of it...