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View Poll Results: Should the United States require a mandatory term of military service for all?
Yes 12 23.53%
No 35 68.63%
Unsure 4 7.84%
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Old September 15th, 2005, 10:38 AM   #46
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IMO, because the military instills discipline.

Why would you be for mandatory service in the peace corps, but not the military?
didn't Hitler demand all male citizens serve in the military?
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Old September 15th, 2005, 10:38 AM   #47
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IMO, because the military instills discipline.

Why would you be for mandatory service in the peace corps, but not the military?
I'm not for mandatory service of any kind.

Why would you teach vocational training in the military when you have other alternatives?
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Old September 15th, 2005, 10:41 AM   #48
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didn't Hitler demand all male citizens serve in the military?
Yeah, but so does Brazil's President Cardoso and Greece's President Karolos Papoulias.

Hitler also had a moustache. Does that mean all men with moustaches are evil facist nazis?
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Old September 15th, 2005, 10:43 AM   #49
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Yeah, but so does Brazil's President Cardoso and Greece's President Karolos Papoulias.

Hitler also had a moustache. Does that mean all men with moustaches are evil facist nazis?
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Old September 15th, 2005, 10:44 AM   #50
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I'm not for mandatory service of any kind.

Why would you teach vocational training in the military when you have other alternatives?
I could live with some sort of national service as an alternative, I guess.
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Old September 15th, 2005, 10:44 AM   #51
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I assume this is sarcasm...but wouldn't that help support AZZenny's position?
It's referrencing a thread from yesterday.
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Old September 15th, 2005, 10:45 AM   #52
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It's referrencing a thread from yesterday.
ah-ha. I pick and choose my P&R threads for sanity reasons. I missed it.
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Old September 15th, 2005, 10:49 AM   #53
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Were there more high-paying jobs in the 40's?
Are you saying that average salaries have risen equivalent to the housing costs in recent years?
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Old September 15th, 2005, 10:51 AM   #54
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Are you saying that average salaries have risen equivalent to the housing costs in recent years?
No.
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Old September 15th, 2005, 11:17 AM   #55
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My ex-brother-in-law was a lawyer for the Army Corps - that's the lowest of the low - and I do believe you. Totally.


If the Peace Corps or US Volunteer Corps required physical fitness and basic self-defense training, and involved a reasonable level of discipline and responsibility, I would not object to that variation on the theme of compulsory service to our nation.

Any LDS folks here? How do LDS youth feel about their mandatory Mission? How much does that change their decisions about becoming athletes, scientists, doctors?


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Old September 15th, 2005, 11:22 AM   #56
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...Ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country. We all do damn little for our country.
Thats one of my pet peeves about this administration.

Bush had his chance to bring that up after 9/11 and really help rally the country.

Instead, on one hand he say's we're at war...on the other hand he encourages everyone to go out shopping at the mall.
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Old September 15th, 2005, 12:18 PM   #57
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what about the people who go to college? I think mandatory service would inhibit the development of these people. Or ones who go to trade school....I think it would weaken our society. Instead of focusing on achievement & higher goals, they are stuck for 2 yrs in the service.
Many of those who go to college have a certain aptitude that may be lost while in military service.

Take 2 yrs out of someone's education & the doctors, lawyers, engineers, etc may be forced to do something else. Right now, you get your bachelors, masters, phd & post doc & you're talking 12 yrs. Add in another 2 yrs & that may dissuade many people to pursue higher learning.

I think if we go down this avenue, our objectives & morals that this country were founded upon are lost and it will weaken the country.
Disagree. I was 32 when I went to school to begin getting my degree and it did not hurt me one bit. Actually, the experience I aquired from "real life" actually helped me. 2 years is not a long time at all.

I think it would be great to help kids grow up and serve their country in some meaningful way. That does not mean combat. But, local work, guarding the borders,etc.
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Old September 15th, 2005, 01:47 PM   #58
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Israels Population: 6,276,883
USA's Population: 295,734,134

Anyone have an approximate figure on how much it would cost to put every person graduating high school in the military. That would be a LOT of tax dollars being spent.
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Old September 15th, 2005, 01:47 PM   #59
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I am uncertain on this issue, I see the pros and cons of both positions. Pariah and AZZenny have made some good points.

We most certainly are living in the "generation of entitlement"! I view this a perhaps the most critical issue facing America today.

Regarding the issue of the 13th Amendment and/or the Constitution:

That didn't seem to be any problem when young men were being drafted to military service in previous generations. Not everyone was called because the manpower needs were not significant enough (except perhaps during WWII) to require everyone to serve. However, to those who were drafted it absolutely was mandatory service. Additionally, the constitutionality of mandatory service was challenged during those former times and never over-turned.
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Old September 15th, 2005, 01:50 PM   #60
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Anyone have an approximate figure on how much it would cost to put every person graduating high school in the military. That would be a LOT of tax dollars being spent.
I don't know what it would cost, but I wouldn't be surprised if the crime rate went down and the economy improved leving less people on the government dole. I don't think they'd even out, but I do think it would help in America's quest to eradicate poverty.
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