Judas Iscariot - Page 7

jenna2891 · February 28th, 2006, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Rivercard

Well, sometimes it's hard to determine intent on here. But it's always best to give posters the benefit of the doubt and assume there is no malice. However, I understand Wally's reaction because Jenna tends to play the "I was only joking" card when she gets called on questionable comments in a debate. Plus, there was no smilie or disclaimer regarding it being a joke and not a personal jab. Knowing her past history with Wally, a smilie might have been a prudent thing to use (unless of course it really was a jab - and now she's resorting to the handy "I was only joking" card).

i threw in this smilie:

which i always view as comical, cuz, well, look at it. i'm sorry wally took it personally, i would never attack his family (although i'm still not sure how he saw it as an attack against his family). i would have said the same thing if 40 had indicated he had kids, or anyone else i thought was childless. it was a joke. as for my throwing in the "i was only joking" card, at first i never used smilies, ever, so it was my way of indicating a joke. i am gradually starting to use them, so it shouldn't come up in the future.

CardLogic · February 28th, 2006, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by NEZCardsfan

I knew you'd come through.

Do you know of any good Verses I could imprint onto the side of my Bickley Sucks hat?? There is a lot of good stuff about loudmouths and ignorance in the Bible somewhere...

Freakin' Bickley

"They pour out arrogant words; all the evildoers are full of boasting." - Psalm 94:4

"I am the most ignorant of men; I do not have a man's understanding." - Proverbs 30:2

NEZCardsfan · February 28th, 2006, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by CardLogic

"I am the most ignorant of men; I do not have a man's understanding." - Proverbs 30:2

THat is as good as done!!

I sit right behind the cameras.....I hope it makes it on the Jumbotron.

FischerKing · March 3rd, 2006, 08:24 PM

whozurmomma - you made some very good points and comments.

i wish i would not be joining this thread so late.

stout - i have to absolutely agree with you - a blind, leap of faith is a foolish thing not only for Christians, but for anyone to take. people believe a lot of foolish things - but belief is not equal to truth. further, it's not so much that belief that is important (it is in a sense) but rather, the source from which one believes that is the key. if the foundation is sound, then the conclusions drawn from it will be sound as well. if the foundation is faulty, then the conclusions drawn from it will be as well. now, that's not to say that everyone who starts with a good foundation don't make mistakes in the thinking, thus leading to erroneous conclusions - but they are much closer to the truth than those who build all their conclusions from an unstable source.

it's always best to start at the beginning - so what is the source from which you believe and base your conclusions upon?

shawn

CaptTurbo · March 7th, 2006, 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by CardLogic

Jesus Christ's mission was to sacrifice himself to save ALL men; because we are incapable of meeting the standard of utmost holiness.

This just never made a whole lot of sense. If cardlogic and I are about to brawl because we did something awful to each other and Jenna came by and said you can beat me to a pulp so Cardlogic will be saved, it wouldnt diminish my wanting to beat Cardlogic to a pulp...even after I beat Jenna to a pulp.

Ok its an analogy, nothing fancy but you get the point.

Also how the heck would one be born with "original sin"? I mean some of the story lines in the tale are just hilarious.

LoyaltyisaCurse · March 7th, 2006, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by swd1974

Also how the heck would one be born with "original sin"? I .

We'll babies are born naked and being naked is "bad" so quick put some clothes on that baby so it doesn't commit anymore sinful deeds.

CardLogic · March 7th, 2006, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by swd1974

This just never made a whole lot of sense. If cardlogic and I are about to brawl because we did something awful to each other and Jenna came by and said you can beat me to a pulp so Cardlogic will be saved, it wouldnt diminish my wanting to beat Cardlogic to a pulp...even after I beat Jenna to a pulp.

Ok its an analogy, nothing fancy but you get the point.

Your analogy doesn't work because you don't have the heart of God. Very simply, the cost of sin is death. Jesus Christ, having no sin of his own, paid the price of sin for all men.

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Originally Posted by swd1974

Also how the heck would one be born with "original sin"? I mean some of the story lines in the tale are just hilarious.

Original sin is more of a Catholic concept, that everyone is born with the stain of sin. It's not a concept that most Christians believe. However everyone is born with human nature which is prone to sin, because we are not God. Eventually, we all do sin; unless we die prior to an understanding of right from wrong. This understanding comes at a very young age.

RedStorm · March 7th, 2006, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by swd1974

This just never made a whole lot of sense. If cardlogic and I are about to brawl because we did something awful to each other and Jenna came by and said you can beat me to a pulp so Cardlogic will be saved, it wouldnt diminish my wanting to beat Cardlogic to a pulp...even after I beat Jenna to a pulp.

Ok its an analogy, nothing fancy but you get the point.

Also how the heck would one be born with "original sin"? I mean some of the story lines in the tale are just hilarious.

Your analogy is incorrect.

Think of it more as a criminal who is going before a judge. The criminal is absolutely guilt. The judge sentences him/her to death. And, then, the judge says that he loves the criminal so much that he allows his son to take the place of the guilty man.

It is called being 100% merciful and 100% just. God maintained the balance between the two.

DKCards · March 7th, 2006, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by CardLogic

Your analogy doesn't work because you don't have the heart of God. Very simply, the cost of sin is death. Jesus Christ, having no sin of his own, paid the price of sin for all men.

Original sin is more of a Catholic concept, that everyone is born with the stain of sin. It's not a concept that most Christians believe. However everyone is born with human nature which is prone to sin, because we are not God. Eventually, we all do sin; unless we die prior to an understanding of right from wrong. This understanding comes at a very young age.

I think your analogy is off a little bit. It is not about two people having a disagreement. It is more of a Father child relationship. God doesn’t want to beat you to a pulp. He wants you to realize that you have gone against what he directed. Then he asks you to give up something valuable to you for amends for that wrongdoing. In the Old Testament they would have to give up a year old sheep/goat/ram without blemishes. The Israelites were mainly shepherds so that was a big sacrifice for them. If they could not afford that then a dove or pigeon was used. The farmers had to give up grain. The point was for them to give up something valuable to them to “pay” or show that they were sorry for their sins and pledge that they would not try to sin anymore. When Jesus came he was a gift from God as the never ending sacrifice. He is the perfect lamb and no other sacrifices were needed from that point on. So he did not just die but he was the sacrifice that paid for everyone’s sins. You just have to ask him to do this for you.

CaptTurbo · March 7th, 2006, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by DKCards

The point was for them to give up something valuable to them to “pay” or show that they were sorry for their sins and pledge that they would not try to sin anymore. When Jesus came he was a gift from God as the never ending sacrifice. He is the perfect lamb and no other sacrifices were needed from that point on. So he did not just die but he was the sacrifice that paid for everyone’s sins. You just have to ask him to do this for you.

Lets for a minute say that this actually happened. So he sends down this guy, I dont care what happens to him so sure yeah take him and I am absolved. Thx. Seems a lot better deal than a fine sheep.

BTW if Jesus only found 1 guy that could write and believe his story and he lived today and that guy told his story some years later after jesus died from lethal injection people would think he was totally insane.

whozurmomma · March 7th, 2006, 08:30 AM

swd ...
Couple of thoughts here:

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take him and I am absolved

Wish it were that simple. First off, we need to acknowledge that God is Holy, that we fall short of His holiness, and that we need our own sacrificial Lamb to be absolved of our sin so that we might spend eternity in the presence of God rather than separated from Him. Yes, we believe that Jesus died for ALL mankind, but His death is not an immediate absolution of any one individual UNLESS that individual acknowledges, AND ACCEPTS, with true heart, that he/she is a sinner who cannot stand before God covered in sin but rather needs this sacrifice to be cleansed of that sin, that Jesus' death was real, was for a purpose, and applies to him/her. And too he/she must understand that after His sacrificial death, Jesus was resurrected. He OVERCAME death, the final threat and the final 'hold' that Satan has on mankind.It is not something that is taken lightly. It requires a true heart belief, which by the way does not negate intelligence or critical thinking.

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if Jesus only found 1 guy that could write and believe his story and he lived today and that guy told his story some years later after jesus died from lethal injection people would think he was totally insane.

See, that is the amazing part of it all for: there wasn't just one guy who could write, who believed His story, and told His story after His death and resurrection. There were several who actually lived with Jesus during His ministry, sacrifice, resurrection, and ascension into heaven. There was even the Apostle Paul who became a witness for Jesus after the resurrection. I suspect that during their time, several of these believers were considered 'insane'. They were imprisoned, they were stoned, they were mistreated because of their beliefs and testimonies. But 'several' years later, people are still reading their testimonies and still coming to faith. For me, that says an awful lot.

Divide Et Impera · March 7th, 2006, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by whozurmomma

For me, that says an awful lot of hallucinogens.

That's more like it....

DKCards · March 7th, 2006, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by whozurmomma

swd ...
Couple of thoughts here:

Wish it were that simple. First off, we need to acknowledge that God is Holy, that we fall short of His holiness, and that we need our own sacrificial Lamb to be absolved of our sin so that we might spend eternity in the presence of God rather than separated from Him. Yes, we believe that Jesus died for ALL mankind, but His death is not an immediate absolution of any one individual UNLESS that individual acknowledges, AND ACCEPTS, with true heart, that he/she is a sinner who cannot stand before God covered in sin but rather needs this sacrifice to be cleansed of that sin, that Jesus' death was real, was for a purpose, and applies to him/her. And too he/she must understand that after His sacrificial death, Jesus was resurrected. He OVERCAME death, the final threat and the final 'hold' that Satan has on mankind.It is not something that is taken lightly. It requires a true heart belief, which by the way does not negate intelligence or critical thinking.

See, that is the amazing part of it all for: there wasn't just one guy who could write, who believed His story, and told His story after His death and resurrection. There were several who actually lived with Jesus during His ministry, sacrifice, resurrection, and ascension into heaven. There was even the Apostle Paul who became a witness for Jesus after the resurrection. I suspect that during their time, several of these believers were considered 'insane'. They were imprisoned, they were stoned, they were mistreated because of their beliefs and testimonies. But 'several' years later, people are still reading their testimonies and still coming to faith. For me, that says an awful lot.

What she said

whozurmomma · March 7th, 2006, 08:53 AM

Seeds ...

Please do me a favor and put me on your 'Ignore' list. That way you won't have to read my comments and feel the apparent need to be outright nasty.

Have a wonderful day.

LoyaltyisaCurse · March 7th, 2006, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by DKCards

What she said

If you guys want to take a good peek into how a religion starts, grabs hold of a few people, then snowballs into a belief by many look at Scientology.

I am sure in about 800 years Scientology will have an incredible amount of followers that will rival other major religions.

People believe what they want to believe and the fact that the stories of a religion have origions deeply rooted in the past does not make it true.