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View Poll Results: Does Feminism Seperate us by moral and social values?
Does Feminism separate us by moral and social values?
Sen. Rick Santorum (republican) has compiled his views into a newly released book that the democrats are sure to use when fighting for his senate seat in 2006.
The book titled: It Takes a Family: Conservatism and the Common Good
Santorum finds fault with two-income families, cohabitation before marriage and working women, who have chosen not to stay home with their children.
Santorum contends
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"Many women have told me, and surveys have shown, that they find it easier, more “professionally” gratifying, and certainly more socially affirming, to work outside the home than to give up their careers to take care of their children.
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Think about that for a moment…Here, we can thank the influence of radical feminism, one of the core philosophies of the village elders."
(It Takes a Family, 95)
Is the feminist movement responsible for creating a moral vacuum by setting new rules for society inwhich women entering the workforce full time creates a climate that eventually requires both parents to work?
In short...does Feminism seperate us by moral and social values?
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Last edited by Djaughe; July 19th, 2005 at 04:16 AM.
Reason: Clarification
Totally loaded question/theory/statement. It's a quandary. Women have every right to a career, income, professional equity. At the same time the side effects of a career mother parent are huge.
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Totally loaded question/theory/statement. It's a quandary. Women have every right to a career, income, professional equity. At the same time the side effects of a career mother parent are huge.
You have a point let me redo the poll.
I was trying to phrase the question based on the premise that Santarum is trying to sound the bell that women find professional work more gratifying than being a stay-at-home mother.
Perhaps a better question would be this:
Does Feminism negatively seperate us by moral and social values?
I was trying to phrase the question based on the premise that Santarum is trying to sound the bell that women find professional work more gratifying than being a stay-at-home mother.
Perhaps a better question would be this:
Does Feminism negatively seperate us by moral and social values?
Is that better?
The question was fine. I personally found it tough to answer from a personal viewpoint. Ignore me. I am weird.
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The question was fine. I personally found it tough to answer from a personal viewpoint. Ignore me. I am weird.
lol...okay I just didn't want to cause too much confusion.
The poll question stands.
Does Feminism seperate us by moral and social values?
I do find it interesting that Santorum doesn't seem to have anything negative to say about men who find it more "gratifying and socially affirming" to work outside the home rather than give up careers to stay home and care for children.
No - anything that brings equality to the table is an advancement. To repress half the population is morally and socially wrong.
Even though I'm for advancing equality...I voted yes.
More so out of the extremism of how some feminist views marriage as a form of dominance of a man over a women instead of a union.
Here is a compilation of feminist quotes - how can they not be viewed as something that at best be considered divisive in todays society?
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“The nuclear family must be destroyed… Whatever its ultimate meaning, the break-up of families now is an objectively revolutionary process.” — Linda Gordon
“I feel that ‘man-hating’ is an honorable and viable political act, that the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing them.” — Robin Morgan, Ms. Magazine Editor.
“I haven’t the faintest notion what possible revolutionary role white hetero- sexual men could fulfill, since they are the very embodiment of reactionary- vested-interest-power. But then, I have great difficulty examining what men in general could possibly do about all this. In addition to doing the shitwork that women have been doing for generations, possibly not exist? No, I really don’t mean that. Yes, I really do.” — Robin Morgan
“We can’t destroy the inequities between men and women until we destroy marriage.” — Robin Morgan
“I claim that rape exists any time sexual intercourse occurs when it has not been initiated by the woman, out of her own genuine affection and desire.”
– Robin Morgan
To call a man an animal is to flatter him; he’s a machine, a walking dildo.”
– Valerie Solanas, Authoress of the SCUM Manifesto
“Life in this society being, at best, an utter bore and no aspect of society being at all relevant to women, there remains to civic-minded, responsible, thrill-seeking females only to overthrow the government, eliminate the money system, institute complete automation, and destroy the male sex.”
– Valerie Solana, SCUM founder (Society for Cutting Up Men.)
“The male is a domestic animal which, if treated with firmness…can be trained to do most things.”
– Jilly Cooper, SCUM (Society For Cutting Up Men, started by Valerie Solanas)
“Since marriage constitutes slavery for women, it is clear that the women’s movement must concentrate on attacking this institution. Freedom for women cannot be won without the abolition of marriage.” — Sheila Cronin, the leader of the feminist organization NOW
“I want to see a man beaten to a bloody pulp with a high-heel shoved in his mouth, like an apple in the mouth of a pig.” — Andrea Dworkin
“Marriage as an institution developed from rape as a practice.” — Andrea Dworkin
“Heterosexual intercourse is the pure, formalized expression of contempt for women’s bodies.” — Andrea Dworkin
“In my own life, I don’t have intercourse. That is my choice.” — Andrea Dworkin
Under patriarchy, every woman’s son is her potential betrayer and also the inevitable rapist or exploiter of another woman.” — Andrea Dworkin
“To be rapeable, a position that is social, not biological, defines what a woman is.” — Andrea Dworkin
“Q: People think you are very hostile to men.
A: I am.” — Andrea Dworkin
“Men use the night to erase us.” — Andrea Dworkin
“The annihilation of a woman’s personality, individuality, will, character, is prerequisite to male sexuality.” — Andrea Dworkin
“Men love death. In everything they make, they hollow out a central place for death, let its rancid smell contaminate every dimension of whatever still survives. Men especially love murder. In art they celebrate it, and in life they commit it. They embrace murder as if life without it would be devoid of passion, meaning, and action, as if murder were solace, stilling their sobs as they mourn the emptiness and alienation of their lives.”
– Andrea Dworkin
“Men are rapists, batterers, plunderers, killers; these same men are religious prophets, poets, heroes, figures of romance, adventure, accomplishment, figures ennobled by tragedy and defeat. Men have claimed the earth, called it ‘Her’. Men ruin Her. Men have airplanes, guns, bombs, poisonous gases, weapons so perverse and deadly that they defy any authentically human imagination.”
– Andrea Dworkin, Pornography: Men Possessing Women
“On the Left, on the Right, in the Middle; Authors, statesmen, thieves; so-called humanists and self-declared fascists; the adventurous and the contemplative, in every realm of male expression and action, violence is experienced and articulated as love and freedom.”
– Andrea Dworkin, Pornography: Men Possessing Women.
“The institution of sexual intercourse is anti-feminist” — Ti-Grace Atkinson
“Feminism is the theory, lesbianism is the practice.” — Ti-Grace Atkinson
“When a woman reaches orgasm with a man she is only collaborating with the patriarchal system, eroticizing her own oppression.” — Sheila Jeffrys
“Politically, I call it rape whenever a woman has sex and feels violated.” — Catherine MacKinnon
“All sex, even consensual sex between a married couple, is an act of violence perpetrated against a woman.” — Catherine MacKinnon
“You grow up with your father holding you down and covering your mouth so another man can make a horrible searing pain between your legs.”
– Catherine MacKinnon (Prominent legal feminist scholar; University of Michigan, & Yale.)
“In a patriarchal society, all heterosexual intercourse is rape because women, as a group, are not strong enough to give meaningful consent.”
– Catharine MacKinnon, quoted in Professing Feminism: Cautionary Tales from the Strange World of Women’s Studies.
“The more famous and powerful I get the more power I have to hurt men.” — Sharon Stone; Actress
“Ninety-five percent of women’s experiences are about being a victim. Or about being an underdog, or having to survive… women didn’t go to Vietnam and blow things up. They are not Rambo.”
– Jodie Foster; Actress - as quoted in The New York Times Magazine.
“The proportion of men must be reduced to and maintained at approximately 10% of the human race.” — Sally Miller Gearhart, in The Future - If There Is One - Is Female.
“And if the professional rapist is to be separated from the average dominant heterosexual (male), it may be mainly a quantitative difference.”
– Susan Griffin, Rape: The All-American Crime.
“If life is to survive on this planet, there must be a decontamination of the Earth. I think this will be accompanied by an evolutionary process that will result in a drastic reduction of the population of males.” –Mary Daly, former Professor at Boston College, 2001.
“If anyone is prosecuted for filing a false report, then victims of real attacks will be less likely to report them.” - David Angier
“Men who are unjustly accused of rape can sometimes gain from the experience.” - Catherine Comins
“As long as some men use physical force to subjugate females, all men need not. The knowledge that some men do suffices to threaten all women. He can beat or kill the woman he claims to love; he can rape women…he can sexually molest his daughters… THE VAST MAJORITY OF MEN IN THE WORLD DO ONE OR MORE OF THE ABOVE.”
– Marilyn French (her emphasis)
“All men are rapists and that’s all they are”
– Marilyn French, Authoress; (later, advisoress to Al Gore’s Presidential Campaign.)
“Probably the only place where a man can feel really secure is in a maximum security prison, except for the imminent threat of release.”
– Germaine Greer.
“All men are good for is f**king, and running over with a truck”.
Statement made by A University of Maine Feminist Administrator, quoted by Richard Dinsmore, who brought a successful civil suit against the University in the amount of $600,000. Richard had protested the quote; was dismissed thereafter on the grounds of harassment; and responded by bringing suit against the University. 1995 settlement.
“Women have their faults / men have only two: / everything they say / everything they do.”
– Popular Feminist Graffiti
“We are, as a sex, infinitely superior to men.” — Elizabeth Cady Stanton
Last edited by Djaughe; July 19th, 2005 at 08:48 AM.
Djaughe - yes, there are those who take feminism to an illogical extreme. But at the same time, we have multi-million member organizations like the Southern Baptist Convention that teach than women SHOULD BE subservient to men.......
Djaughe - yes, there are those who take feminism to an illogical extreme. But at the same time, we have multi-million member organizations like the Southern Baptist Convention that teach than women SHOULD BE subservient to men.......
Djaughe - yes, there are those who take feminism to an illogical extreme. But at the same time, we have multi-million member organizations like the Southern Baptist Convention that teach than women SHOULD BE subservient to men.......
In the Mormon temple wedding ceremonies, men promise to obey God, and women promise to obey their husbands. Of course, if you know anything about Mormonism, the misogyny runs far deeper than mere oaths.
I think the glass ceiling is largely a fiction today, and the Feminist movement therefore largely redundant. At my law school, women (and People of Color even moreso) were generally recruited more heavily than men w/ equal grades and similar backgrounds, because firms understandably want diversity. If women want to make as much money as men, their gender generally won't stop them. The inequity in pay is largely a result of the market--women taking time off (or careers off) to have children, and so not being paid equally with those who don't. My wife--certainly as capable as I to make a living--is going to raise the kids full-time until they're in kindergarten, and then teach grade school, so she can be more involved as a mother than if she went into a year-round, full-time career. It's the way most women are wired, and thank God for that.
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