cloning endangered species

Rivercard · January 11th, 2006, 09:18 AM

China has cloned an endangered Siberian ibex, a goat-like mammal. Scientists inserted a cell nucleus with ibex DNA into egg cells of a normal goat, which were then implanted in a surrogate goat mother. The World Wildlife Fund opposes this technique. A spokeswoman said: "Cloning endangered species gives a false sense that we're saving species when it would be better to spend resources to preserve species in the wild." Do you agree or disagree with cloning endangered species?

PortlandCardFan · January 11th, 2006, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Rivercard

China has cloned an endangered Siberian ibex, a goat-like mammal. Scientists inserted a cell nucleus with ibex DNA into egg cells of a normal goat, which were then implanted in a surrogate goat mother. The World Wildlife Fund opposes this technique. A spokeswoman said: "Cloning endangered species gives a false sense that we're saving species when it would be better to spend resources to preserve species in the wild." Do you agree or disagree with cloning endangered species?

Why can't they do both?

I wouldn't want cloning to allow for humans to run wild with ideas of we can kill whatever we want because we can clone more. But for those species that are close to extinction already why not get them back up to a level were they can survive on there own?

Rivercard · January 11th, 2006, 09:27 AM

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I wouldn't want cloning to allow for humans to run wild with ideas of we can kill whatever we want because we can clone more. But for those species that are close to extinction already why not get them back up to a level were they can survive on there own?

It sure is a toughie isn't it? I'm usually not a big fan of the slippery slope argument, but if cloning becomes successful, I can imagine it getting out of hand very easily.

CaptTurbo · January 11th, 2006, 09:39 AM

Disagree Strongly

I think its very important that we do not let cloning take hold on anything. We are way above our heads on this. We cant begin to comprehend the effects of this.

CardLogic · January 11th, 2006, 10:00 AM

Wouldn't the cloning of endangered species be counter intuitive to the "survival of the fittest" component of Darwinian theory?

Rivercard · January 11th, 2006, 10:09 AM

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Wouldn't the cloning of endangered species be counter intuitive to the "survival of the fittest" component of Darwinian theory?

Good point. If so, I suppose "wildlife management" through authorized hunting is counter-intuitive to the Darwin theory as well.

arthurracoon · January 11th, 2006, 10:20 AM

Im undecided.

CardLogic · January 11th, 2006, 10:32 AM

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Good point. If so, I suppose "wildlife management" through authorized hunting is counter-intuitive to the Darwin theory as well.

Wildlife Management - a hotly debated topic in hunting regions!

Divide Et Impera · January 11th, 2006, 10:43 AM

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Disagree Strongly

I think its very important that we do not let cloning take hold on anything. We are way above our heads on this. We cant begin to comprehend the effects of this.

We fear what we do not know. We do not know what we do not attempt....

I don't see what the big scare over cloning is. People seem to think that we are gonna create a true life sci-fi movie. It's not like "The Island", folks. We aren't going to cultivate 30 year old replicas of you. What you get is a new baby animal/human/whatever. You still have to raise it, nurture it and teach it. What happens is you get a whole new being with a clean, unaltered slate. Your DNA does not store memories that will transfer to the new being. Stop being so scared of science. You never know the scope of anything until you complete it. That's what "trial and error" is for....

CardLogic · January 11th, 2006, 10:53 AM

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We fear what we do not know. We do not know what we do not attempt....

Thanks for the lesson, Yoda! ;-)

Rivercard · January 11th, 2006, 11:03 AM

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We fear what we do not know. We do not know what we do not attempt....

Not many of us know what it's like to cut off our arms with a hatchet. Let us know what you find out.

dogpoo32 · January 11th, 2006, 11:06 AM

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Wouldn't the cloning of endangered species be counter intuitive to the "survival of the fittest" component of Darwinian theory?

For a religious argument, there are severe consequences to playing God. I am not religious, but it is still very creepy.

CardLogic is dead on. Very strong argument.

CaptTurbo · January 12th, 2006, 04:17 AM

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We fear what we do not know. We do not know what we do not attempt....

I don't see what the big scare over cloning is. People seem to think that we are gonna create a true life sci-fi movie. It's not like "The Island", folks. We aren't going to cultivate 30 year old replicas of you. What you get is a new baby animal/human/whatever. You still have to raise it, nurture it and teach it. What happens is you get a whole new being with a clean, unaltered slate. Your DNA does not store memories that will transfer to the new being. Stop being so scared of science. You never know the scope of anything until you complete it. That's what "trial and error" is for....

Thats crazy talk man. You have no idea what affect cloning has on cells at a molecular level. What happens if a non clone gets pregnant by a clone? Or visa versa? Or 2 clones reproduce? Or someone reproduces with an opposite sex clone? Playing "God" on a molecular level is insane.

PortlandCardFan · January 12th, 2006, 05:36 AM

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Thats crazy talk man. You have no idea what affect cloning has on cells at a molecular level. What happens if a non clone gets pregnant by a clone? Or visa versa? Or 2 clones reproduce? Or someone reproduces with an opposite sex clone? Playing "God" on a molecular level is insane.

So we will do it....

40yearfan · January 12th, 2006, 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Seeds Of Hate

We fear what we do not know. We do not know what we do not attempt....

I don't see what the big scare over cloning is. People seem to think that we are gonna create a true life sci-fi movie. It's not like "The Island", folks. We aren't going to cultivate 30 year old replicas of you. What you get is a new baby animal/human/whatever. You still have to raise it, nurture it and teach it. What happens is you get a whole new being with a clean, unaltered slate. Your DNA does not store memories that will transfer to the new being. Stop being so scared of science. You never know the scope of anything until you complete it. That's what "trial and error" is for....

Holy Crap!!!! Last week I'm agreeing with LIAC and this week I'm agreeing with SOH.

That vacation sure screwed up my head.

What he's saying is very true. You can't produce an exact duplicate with the same memory. A clone is a replica, not a duplicate. Big difference.