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Now if prisons really did rehabilitate people instead of making them better criminals that could be a positive step to eliminating capital punishent IMO.
Not that I'm a huge fan of rehabilitaing murderers but ...
I did have the chance on a long train ride to talk for an extended period with a senior official in this area for the Danish government [his sleeper cube was next to ours]. A really bright guy and not a bleeding heart do gooder by any means.
It was a while ago so I don't remember the details but in short he said that they had around a 80% [acroos the board] success rate in preventing reoffending on release. It took time, effort, education and yes money.
He was also quite definate that there were some offenders where the only choice was to lock them up and throw away the key.
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Last edited by nidan; September 12th, 2005 at 11:06 AM.
I like Portlands idea work to death. Doing jobs that wont ruin companies in the local area. How about doing things like cleaning up after oil spills and nuclear accidents.
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I like Portlands idea work to death. Doing jobs that wont ruin companies in the local area. How about doing things like cleaning up after oil spills and nuclear accidents.
Not that I'm a huge fan of rehabilitaing murderers but ...
Me neither.
Assault, armed robbery, and other lesser crimes would be excellent candidates for a real effort at rehabilitation.
That would clear up space in prision for the hard cases. Not to mention could possibly increase the deterrent factor of incarceration if they knew they would serve the entire term.
Many people are happy with revenge [and at least you are honmest enough to admit it] but it shows that we have a very long way to go before we can consider ourselves civilized. We are, it would seem, one step beyond lynch mobs, at least we have a trial before the lynching.
Room and board are cheaper than an death sentence, fact.
Why is revenge "uncivilized?" Isn't justice simply revenge wrapped in a different package? The death penalty is nothing like a lynch mob. As you said, there's a trial, there are appeals and there is a degree of care to ensure the death is not cruel.
How is the death penalty more expensive than keeping someone alive for 50 years? If that is indeed the case, we need to cut the costs and just put someone in front of a firing squad. Pay for bullets and the shooter's time and be done with it.
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I'm in favor for it, but I think the way it exists today is not a deterrant rather just a punishment. Ideally I think the death penalty should be a reason to think twice about committing a crime.
I think we should excellerate the process... there are guys on death row that have been there since the '70's. Let's give them a year to prove their cases and then just start a line at the gas chamber and say, "next" every couple minutes. Then possibly re-evaluate which crimes are death penaty worthy.
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Why is revenge "uncivilized?" Isn't justice simply revenge wrapped in a different package? The death penalty is nothing like a lynch mob. As you said, there's a trial, there are appeals and there is a degree of care to ensure the death is not cruel.
Because we are taking a life in revenge. It may make you feel good but for society it achieves nothing. No deterrent, no cost saving, nothing just revenge.
No you are right it is not likje a lynch mob, but then I said it was a step removed from a lynch mob. That step is the trial, the premise of the lynch mob still exists. The lynch mob was about revenge not justice.
Other than revenge, I can't see what CP accomplishes ? IMO revenge is not sufficient reason to take a life.
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How is the death penalty more expensive than keeping someone alive for 50 years? If that is indeed the case, we need to cut the costs and just put someone in front of a firing squad. Pay for bullets and the shooter's time and be done with it.
It is, now I know some here would like to reduce the appeals and options that death row inmates have but then that would take us even closer to the lynch mob. As it stands it is more expensive. Take away those options and you increase the likleyhood of executing an innocent person, something that certainly happens now.
Other than revenge, I can't see what CP accomplishes
It removes the person guilty of murder from society. The ultimate addition by subtraction.
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It is, now I know some here would like to reduce the appeals and options that death row inmates have but then that would take us even closer to the lynch mob. As it stands it is more expensive. Take away those options and you increase the likleyhood of executing an innocent person, something that certainly happens now.
Are you saying that it's because of due process that it's more expensive? You don't think that people getting life imprisonment aren't appealing on any grounds they can? When you give someone the ultimate penalty (which, if you took away CP, would be life imprisonment), they will get the ultimate in appealete process. The appeals won't go away just because you're not killing a killer.
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I said no. I go back and forth on whether it should be permissible when one who actually murdered is executed, but because it's inevitable that an innocent person will occasionally be executed, I'm against it.
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