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View Poll Results: Can you be a feminist and be against abortion?
Yes 31 72.09%
NO 12 27.91%
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Old August 24th, 2005, 09:53 AM   #271
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but you say you would never have one. why? is it because you might feel ready for kids, or because you don't think that you could bring yourself to do it? sometimes things that are wrong are illegal. that's the way a decent society has to operate. why is anything illegal then? why not just put your trust in humanity, and hope that people make the right choices?
I didn't say I would NEVER have one. I said I don't think I could. Really easy for me to say sitting here knowing I'm not pregnant.

I don't think it's murder and, if I had an abortion, I wouldn't think of myself as a murderer either. And I don't think of the people I know who have had abortions as murderers, abominations or blights on society.

I knew a girl in college who was 100% pro-life ... til she thought she was pregnant and I had to drive her to the local clinic for a pregnancy test during our freshmen year. Point? I dunno. Just rambling.
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Old August 24th, 2005, 09:53 AM   #272
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18 pages and 16 devoted to just abortion...

Okay folks...is it safe to say the women can be a feminist and be against abortion?
Um, yes.
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Old August 24th, 2005, 09:53 AM   #273
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sometimes things that are wrong are illegal. that's the way a decent society has to operate. QUOTE]


You answered your own statement. Sometimes. However its not wrong. So things that arent wrong should be illegal to? What if I think its wrong to have a bible in your house? Does that mean I should be able to lobby and have that put in our laws?

What if I think you should get capital punishment for public displays of religion? See how unimportant it is what I think? Why do you think what you think is so important?
Sure, start lobbying. Change the Constitution if you can. More power to you. Don't be surprised when we fight back though.
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Old August 24th, 2005, 09:53 AM   #274
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Well, if we had another capital violent crime classification for this sort of crime other than murder I would probably call it that. I would consider it as punishment for the violation of the parents more than for vengeance for the fetus. Sort of like Lorena Bobbitt should have been prosecuted under a particular statute because John Wayne could never again have a child.
ok, i understand that you wouldn't call it murder. but why the need for another classification? if you kill a pregnant woman, and her child isn't a person yet, than killing her is the same as killing anybody else on the street. she shouldn't get different treatment than anyone else who is murdered.
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Old August 24th, 2005, 09:55 AM   #275
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18 pages and 16 devoted to just abortion...

Okay folks...is it safe to say the women can be a feminist and be against abortion?
The poll says "yes", but let's look at who is aguing against abortion and compare that to their views on feminism in general. I get the feeling it's non-feminists who tend to be the ones voting "yes".
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Old August 24th, 2005, 10:00 AM   #276
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You answered your own statement. Sometimes. However its not wrong. So things that arent wrong should be illegal to? What if I think its wrong to have a bible in your house? Does that mean I should be able to lobby and have that put in our laws?

What if I think you should get capital punishment for public displays of religion? See how unimportant it is what I think? Why do you think what you think is so important?
there is an inherant moral code within all of us. those extremes you mentioned are silly and not at all comparable to abortion and you know it. we will never be able to say definitively "this is when life begins!" as such, we should not be taking the chance that life is not being taken.
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The poll says "yes", but let's look at who is aguing against abortion and compare that to their views on feminism in general. I get the feeling it's non-feminists who tend to be the ones voting "yes".
um, i consider myself a feminist, and i am against abortion.
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Old August 24th, 2005, 10:02 AM   #278
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Goes both ways. Pro-life? Like how many people are really anti-life?

You can be pro-choice and NOT pro-abortion. I don't "support" abortion, but I think women should have the right to choose for themselves.
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The poll says "yes", but let's look at who is aguing against abortion and compare that to their views on feminism in general. I get the feeling it's non-feminists who tend to be the ones voting "yes".
lol...well I guess 2891 has a point.
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um, i consider myself a feminist, and i am against abortion.
They don't really mean "feminist". They mean a "new, modern feminist" you know, the kind that hates men, religion, moral decency, capitalism, etc.
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Not likely, lol!

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...And I'm off to lunch. Fight nice, everyone.
Dang east coast time...now I could go fer a filiburtos burrito...
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