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View Poll Results: Can you be a feminist and be against abortion?
A myriad of things can happen at a cellular level that will keep the fetus from evolving into a human being. There are simply no absolutes in life.
And yes any fetus that attaches itself to the fallopian tubes, the cervix, or virtually anywhere other than the uterus is immediately a state that is "harmful to the mother".
I seriously suggest you become more informed on this subject before I continue to make you look very foolish.
I would like you to give me something that will prove that a women, after getting pregnant, will give birth to something else besides a human being? I heard of people having a cow at one time in my life but I think it was just a saying.
You are talking about medical conditions that would put the mother at risk and I think the answer is that it now becomes an issue of self-survival. So, at least IMO, abortion should be allowed because it saves a life (a biological life not a social life, or economic life, or any other life besides biological)
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On demand means that for any reason a person can get an abortion. Kinda like, On Demand Movies from your cable box.
I would agree to leave abortion legal if it was only allowed in the cases where the mother's biological life was in danger of being lost if she carries the child to term. No financial hardships count, no Opps we used no condom, no excuses except for almost certain death for the mom. I think then the sad choice to to end the life of the child to protect the mother. If we made this the rule abortions would drop to barely a blip. IIRC, over 85-90% of the abortions are basiclly for on demand reasons. Any reason.
Redstorm, we are usually on opposite ends on these issues, but I really enjoy our debate and I believe we had a good one on this topic a short while ago.
Say I give you that your 85-90% guess is acurate. So what.
Why the battle to make sure every fetus comes to term and enters this world? I'm not being a smart ass, I just don't see why a women choosing to get an abortion for her own reasons whether you find them valid or not is any worse than anyone else choosing to end said fetus' at any other time in it's existance?
Redstorm, we are usually on opposite ends on these issues, but I really enjoy our debate and I believe we had a good one on this topic a short while ago.
Say I give you that your 85-90% guess is acurate. So what. Why the battle to make sure every fetus comes to term and enters this world? I'm not being a smart ass, I just don't see why a women choosing to get an abortion for her own reasons whether you find them valid or not is any worse than anyone else choosing to end said fetus' at any other time in it's existance?
Because they have no say. No one is sticking up for them. I feel that it is important that we do because they have never been given a chance. Besides, I was born to a single mother living in the projects in Detroit. My mother was one of 10 kids. My grandparents, all though I loved them, were alcoholics and drank their money away. The kids had to literally scounge for food and clothing. My mother can tell some stories. I was the perfect candidate to be another abortion statistic. But, my mother stood up for me even when she was getting beaten by her father trying to induce a mis-carriage.
So, today I live and have a wonderful wife and two kids. I think everyone deserves a chance and that is why it matters to me to stick up for the ones who are just caught in that unfortunate place where no one can hear them.
I hope I did not share too much. But, that is my motivation.
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Because they have no say. No one is sticking up for them. I feel that it is important that we do because they have never been given a chance. Besides, I was born to a single mother living in the projects in Detroit. My mother was one of 10 kids. My grandparents, all though I loved them, were alcoholics and drank their money away. The kids had to literally scounge for food and clothing. My mother can tell some stories. I was the perfect candidate to be another abortion statistic. But, my mother stood up for me even when she was getting beaten by her father trying to induce a mis-carriage.
So, today I live and have a wonderful wife and two kids. I think everyone deserves a chance and that is why it matters to me to stick up for the ones who are just caught in that unfortunate place where no one can hear them.
I hope I did not share too much. But, that is my motivation.
I understand you and I even agree with your motivation. We won't change each others minds about this issue...mind you, I am not "for abortion"..I am just not against it. I believe there is a difference.
Now if you could take that motivation and apply it to all areas where others make life and death choices for another. You fight for the ones yet to be here and I fight for the ones already here.
I understand you and I even agree with your motivation. We won't change each others minds about this issue...mind you, I am not "for abortion"..I am just not against it. I believe there is a difference.
Now if you could take that motivation and apply it to all areas where others make life and death choices for another. You fight for the ones yet to be here and I fight for the ones already here.
You see, understanding is alive and well and there is hope for this board. LOL
There is intelligent life after all.
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The greatest lies are told before a marriage, after a hunt and during an election - Count Bismark
Because they have no say. No one is sticking up for them. I feel that it is important that we do because they have never been given a chance. Besides, I was born to a single mother living in the projects in Detroit. My mother was one of 10 kids. My grandparents, all though I loved them, were alcoholics and drank their money away. The kids had to literally scounge for food and clothing. My mother can tell some stories. I was the perfect candidate to be another abortion statistic. But, my mother stood up for me even when she was getting beaten by her father trying to induce a mis-carriage.
So, today I live and have a wonderful wife and two kids. I think everyone deserves a chance and that is why it matters to me to stick up for the ones who are just caught in that unfortunate place where no one can hear them.
I hope I did not share too much. But, that is my motivation.
Wow, That's a heck of a welcome to the world. I'm glad you made it!
This is a rediculous stance and one void of any sembelance of understanding of biology or medicine.
Where to begin...
Ectopic pregnancies are just one of the myriad of examples of pregnancies that threaten the life of the mother. Waiting for the fetus to "die on it's own" is a gross negligence of any health care worker, since the process of letting the fetus die threatens the life of the mother.
By using your perveted logic, this is more akin to you seeing a guy about to be hit by an on coming bus, and pulling out your gun and shooting him in the leg just to make sure he can't get out of the way.
Ectopic pregnancies do not require an abortion to fix the problem. Bad example.
Ectopic pregnancies do not require an abortion to fix the problem. Bad example.
They require a surgical procedure to remove the fetus. I don't want to dither over semantics here, especially since I went too far in proving my point with Jenna.
monty python is the ultimate wisdom on this board, eh?
They do have a poingnant method in exposing hypocrisy. It goes beyond humor.
Do you see the parallel between your "killing the fetus before its time" commentary and their scenario?
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i do disagree, but i have never called anyone ignorant. i have never claimed that anyone was humiliated because of my staggering intelligence. you came in here as the absolute authority, telling me to brush up on my biology, because you were gonna make me look dumb. if you can find some place that i had done that (and not in jest), then i will gladly apologize.
If you stir the pot, you will get a reaction.
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"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." --Voltaire
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