November 16th, 2005, 08:12 PM
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11/17 POD: Favorite Bill of Rights Piece
What is your favorite, personally most important or most vital, element of the Bill of Rights? Why?
Not saying you'd have to give up any of the others - but if you were to prioritize in terms of what you'd die to defend, is there one amendment or a part of an amendment (since the First Amendment covers a LOT of stuff I broke it down into parts) that just makes the hairs on the back of your neck stand up with awe and pride? The one you'd maybe even march on Washington to defend; even stand side by side with (GASP!) members of 'the other' political party, or with people with otherwise controversial political or religious views?
Note - this is a public poll, showing your vote. If that's awkward, let the Mod know - I'm sure he can fix it.
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November 16th, 2005, 08:22 PM
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Good poll and hard to answer.
Do you have quick access to the others? I can find them but it might help the others. :djaughe:

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November 16th, 2005, 08:25 PM
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Amendment VIII
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
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November 16th, 2005, 08:26 PM
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9. The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
10. The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.
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November 16th, 2005, 08:32 PM
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Right to bear arms. It's the only thing that can keep a rampant government in check.
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November 16th, 2005, 08:33 PM
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I know that my answer might freak some people out based on my political affiliation and generally liberal outlook.
But I believe the right to bear arms is the ultimate right for citizens to not only protect themselves but also to protect themselves from the Government.
I know that there is alot of talk about restricting it in this way and that and I waiver on those issues.
But my true belief and reason for supporting this ammendment is to protect the people not only from foreign invasion, criminal invasion but interior Tyranny.
In short I don't trust the Government and I don't trust what they would do if every other American didn't have guns.
I don't own a gun except the red rider bb gun I shoot at birds with.
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November 16th, 2005, 08:38 PM
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http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitut...lofrights.html
Bill of Rights
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
Amendment II
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
Amendment III
No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.
Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
Amendment VI
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.
Amendment VII
In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.
Amendment VIII
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
Amendment IX
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.
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November 16th, 2005, 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by KingofCards
I know that my answer might freak some people out based on my political affiliation and generally liberal outlook.
But I believe the right to bear arms is the ultimate right for citizens to not only protect themselves but also to protect themselves from the Government.
I know that there is alot of talk about restricting it in this way and that and I waiver on those issues.
But my true belief and reason for supporting this ammendment is to protect the people not only from foreign invasion, criminal invasion but interior Tyranny.
In short I don't trust the Government and I don't trust what they would do if every other American didn't have guns.
I don't own a gun except the red rider bb gun I shoot at birds with.
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I can help you with some armament recomendations if you'd like.
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November 16th, 2005, 08:42 PM
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There you are.
I'm a First Amendment freak, myself. I lean towards Separation of Church and State as the most critical and always have - especially when you study world history, and also more and more important in the current world climate. Free Speech is huge, HUGE. But Unreasonable Search and Seizure really gets me going, too.
What a great document.
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November 16th, 2005, 08:44 PM
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Ghandi, Rosa Parks, MLK, The IWW - weren't armed with anything other than a righteous cause.
Guns are ok.
During the caper we call WWI, our government was fine with citizens owning guns (as long as they were white - the people not the guns, smart***).
It was illegal and punishable by long federal prison terms to write or speak against the war.
The chickenhawks back then called it "sedition".
If some foreign country invaded the USA and one of us aided them, that would be sedition.
Merely stating your opinion that a foreign adventure using the armed forces as game pieces is a bad policy can never be a crime in a free land.
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November 16th, 2005, 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by AzCards21
I can help you with some armament reccomedations if you'd like.
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I might talk to you if the Republicans continue to control every portion of the Checks and Balances. Cool?
j/k I don't have guns cause I don't think I need them to protect myself and I my kid is smarter than me and I don't want him getting his hands on one.
I would like a nice Shot gun, 12 gage or so, to go out and shoot dove and quail and keep for protection. I think I might be able to acurately hit an intruder in the dark with a 12 gage shot gun. Once the boy get a little older we'll get one. I have experience shooting. Don't forget I grew up from 6 months old in AZ, back when PHX was a desert outpost.

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November 16th, 2005, 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by AZZenny
There you are.
I'm a First Amendment freak, myself. I lean towards Separation of Church and State as the most critical and always have - especially when you study world history, and also more and more important in the current world climate. Free Speech is huge, HUGE. But Unreasonable Search and Seizure really gets me going, too.
What a great document.
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The bill of rights is truely a great document. Seperation of Church and State, unreasonable search and seizure are right up there. Both of those are seriously under fire by the Government in my opinion. Free speech is under fire by the same people. The Patriot act is retarded in that way.
I do think though that the citizens of America are the militia and we need to keep the right to bear arms. So that if they ever whittle all the other ammendments down we still have guns to fight back. That is why I don't think it is wrong for a responsible citizen to have an assault rifle.
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November 16th, 2005, 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by KingofCards
I might talk to you if the Republicans continue to control every portion of the Checks and Balances. Cool?
j/k I don't have guns cause I don't think I need them to protect myself and I my kid is smarter than me and I don't want him getting his hands on one.
I would like a nice Shot gun, 12 gage or so, to go out and shoot dove and quail and keep for protection. I think I might be able to acurately hit an intruder in the dark with a 12 gage shot gun. Once the boy get a little older we'll get one. I have experience shooting. Don't forget I grew up from 6 months old in AZ, back when PHX was a desert outpost.

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It's good with me bro. Let's take the kids out for some target practice! 
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November 16th, 2005, 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by justAndy
Ghandi, Rosa Parks, MLK, The IWW - weren't armed with anything other than a righteous cause.
Guns are ok.
During the caper we call WWI, our government was fine with citizens owning guns (as long as they were white - the people not the guns, smart***).
It was illegal and punishable by long federal prison terms to write or speak against the war.
The chickenhawks back then called it "sedition".
If some foreign country invaded the USA and one of us aided them, that would be sedition.
Merely stating your opinion that a foreign adventure using the armed forces as game pieces is a bad policy can never be a crime in a free land.
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Thank God for those people. Cause I don't think I would have even been born without them.
Chickenhawks are worse then pacifists in my opinion.
My Country do or die has become My country you go die.

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November 16th, 2005, 09:01 PM
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It's good with me bro. Let's take the kids out for some target practice! 
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I love target practice. I am actually a fairly acurate shot.
I would love to do that sometime man.

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