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Old July 30th, 2003, 04:39 PM   #76
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How many of Plummer's interceptions last year came when your team was down by two touchdowns or more?

The exact same number that actually got them down by two touchdowns.
The exact same number. Amazing.

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Old July 30th, 2003, 04:40 PM   #77
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So know matter that the Cardinals coaching staff has said the exact same things to Plummer that Shanahan has been saying, somehow his voice and diction will make Plummer understand?

Talk about a homer!!!

No. Part of it will be the team around him. Plummer has never played on a team with the kind of talent around him that he will be in Denver.
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So know matter that the Cardinals coaching staff has said the exact same things to Plummer that Shanahan has been saying, somehow his voice and diction will make Plummer understand?


It's ALL dictation now-a-days.
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Old July 30th, 2003, 04:41 PM   #79
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The exact same number that actually got them down by two touchdowns.
The exact same number. Amazing.

Of course... Because your defense had nothing to do with being down by two touchdowns...
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Old July 30th, 2003, 04:42 PM   #80
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No. Part of it will be the team around him. Plummer has never played on a team with the kind of talent around him that he will be in Denver.

And Denver has never had as mind boggling of a decision maker as Plummer.
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Old July 30th, 2003, 04:42 PM   #81
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Holy cow! You're keeping score on every single insignificant point?

How many of Plummer's interceptions last year came when your team was down by two touchdowns or more?

No... It's not hard to believe that Mike Shanahan knows more about coaching than anyone in the Cardinals organization...
The answer is 3, what was the point? To clarify that's 15 or more since that's how ESPN has the stat.

So 15% of his INT's came in 12.8% of his attempts, wow that's almost what one would expect right?

I didn't talk about coaching, I asked about Jake. Remember Wolf, Donahoe, they both agree you can't win with Plummer. Walsh, who once compared him to Montana, called him reckless. Guess who mentored Shanahan? Guess who mentored Trestman, the guy who told the Cards to expose him to the franchise draft after the 2000 season?

To quote Akroyd "we mock what we do not understand."
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No. Part of it will be the team around him. Plummer has never played on a team with the kind of talent around him that he will be in Denver.
Is the team adept at reading defenses? Are they gonna wisper in his ear when gets under center? Unless they are it doesnt matter!!!
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Of course... Because your defense had nothing to do with being down by two touchdowns...

Your credibility is vanishing.

Perhaps you should watch more than three games of Plummer's.
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The answer is 3, what was the point? To clarify that's 15 or more since that's how ESPN has the stat.

Whoops, in my haste I missed the 21 plus stat. The correct answer to your question is 7.

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Of course... Because your defense had nothing to do with being down by two touchdowns...

Well, last year, San Diego took one pick back for a TD and another back to about the four yard line.

Is there a stat for how many points scored directly off interceptions per QB? That'd be something to look at.

I know Dexter Coakley misses Plummer. Champ Bailey's made a career out of taking floating ten yard outs back for six points.
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And Denver has never had as mind boggling of a decision maker as Plummer.

Apparently you never watched Griese play... And that's not mentioning young John Elway...
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Apparently you never watched Griese play... And that's not mentioning young John Elway...

I'll see your two handed shovel pass to Miami... and raise you a behind the back pass/fumble/thing inside our own 20.


Alrightie. I gotta split.

All in good fun, Taco.
Plummer if anything was a great guy in the community and I do wish him the best.
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If Griese's decision making made you crazy -- just wait.

Griese always struck me as one of those steady-Eddie types who never made the spectacular play, executed the run of the mill plays, and limited the disasters.

Plummer will make plenty of spectacular, but wont consistenly do the little things, and will definately produce the disaster. Jake is the leader of the "unforced error"-- particularly in the red zone.
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All in good fun, Taco.

Amen to that... See ya'll around...
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